1.10 - IS it any good?

Or, better yet, try this patch. I've found a great improvement in fps and entertainment value since I installed it.

well, just an update, my partner managed to get in with no problems whatsoever after a clean install of the SL client. Basically uninstall, erase folders that may have been left, restart, install client again. and it worked!

You had local light in pre-1.9?

i hate you

i had to turn them off sometime before 1.6.

yeah, i have to agree that 1.6 and 1.7 sucked performance off my system, like a fat kid with oreos. (mind you, i loved oreos as a kid)

I really hope you get the problems fixed Doc, for 2 days straight, whenever night time comes in SL, i just TP home, and sit the avatar next to a small candle light i got a hold of, the soft light makes the avatar look so awesome.

The water riple is just amazing from high altitude views.

It's like playing SL from day one all over again... plus so much crap in the inventory v.v

I was still able to run Local lighting right up to 1.7, when they completely FUBARed it.
It was nice, and pretty horrible when I couldn't use it any more after..

The new local lighting? Bleh! Haven't tried sitting in the dark with a light source yet, but by daylight it's really screwed up my skins... And a lot of clothing looks pretty odd now too. However, seeing my graphics card definitely isn't working right with 1.10 I'll assume that may be just more graphics incompatibility for now.

I seem to recall something very like this happened after 1.7. Anyone with a high end graphics card seemed to take a worse hit than those with more modest cards. I remember a Rental Land Baron who was very annoyed that he couldn't set his draw high enough to slice and dice a new sim from one position any more.

Meanwhile friends with 'blind mode' graphics systems didn't seem to be greatly affected!

I'm all for supporting lower end systems, because that's what the majority of potential customers have - as I know full well from my mentoring on Help Island.

BUT - failing to support people who have the disposable income to buy and regularly update high end hardware is really stupid, assuming LL really want to make money...

My favorite thing with 1.10 is the physics update. Sims hardly crash now.
Oh, wait, there wasn't a physics update?

Sims seem less stable (yeah believe that). dil is out of control. Sim stats riding a rollercoaster when nothen is happening.

Random instant crashes to desktop are a new and exciting thing for me with 1.10.

Since 1.7 performance has sucked. Not that it was steller pre 1.7, but at least before the script schedualer you could buy up a sim and get decent script speed. Now they run slow even if the sim has only one script in it.

The culling is a good thing. Ima do more test with this.

New lighting is good.

Finally able to see ripple water, good.

Flexi prims, hey fake physics! it's a start i guess.

Oh, did i mention SL performance and physics make me cry?

You're viewing the past with rose-colored glasses. Local lighting pre 1.10 was horrendous. It wasn't changed significantly since 1.0, chief. It was software, non-changable light, it slowed everyone down (except for your miraculous machine, it seems), and wasn't very aesthetic.



SKins are going to look weird because everyone auto-corrected for having no local lights. Although, news flash, almost no skin is going to look light in club lighting, which will be bright and multi-colored.

What's your graphics card? If it's anything released int he last year it can run Local Lighting just fine. Update your drivers.





It's not the fault of Linden Labs that people with cutting edge hardware don't want to spend the time configuring their fresh-out-of-hardware-beta systems properly.

My computer's a piece of shit. It's held together with duct tape, overheats, is improperly mounted, and is covered in dust. It's 2.5 years old, minus the video card (Geforce 6600) It runs SL fine. It's always run SL fine.

Sometimes you just have to face the music and realize your wonky rig isn't going to run SL right unless YOU YOURSELF fix it.

Cue the "fuck you lordlfy and you fanboy attitude" now.

Honey, it's because your wand's gone all floppy in 1.10...

It did slow the machine (P4E 3.2, 2GB, 6800GT) but not so much that I couldn't achieve 20-25fps most places. But that was fast enough for me.




New machine, new card, drivers dl straight from nVidia and still up to date... AND it worked fine in 1.9




Hmmm, well IF you'd read the start of the thread you'd know what I'm using right now, you'd know everything is fully updated and you'd know it was working brilliantly under 1.9 - which was something of an achievement I think.

"fuck you lordlfy and you fanboy attitude"? I don't think so... I don't work that way. Though I have to say it was difficult restraining myself from all sorts of snappy replies to that one!

But firstly I'll bet your 'piece of shit' wouldn't perform to my requirements - no problem there, if you are happy with it, fine.
I built mine to the max specification I thought cost effective and it worked fine exceeding my requirements, right up until LL released 1.10 (or whenever I logged into Preview).

Now I assume you have some rudiments of intelligence?
Worked well in 1.9
Doesn't work well in Preview or 1.10 - what does that tell you?

What changed? Did I alter anything?

Oh yes, I forgot, it tells you there's something wrong with my PC, of course, how stupid of me not to have realised!

What it tells me is that someone at LL did a poor job of writing the GLSL code in 1.10 and they aren't supporting the nVidia hardware I have adequately, if at all, bearing in mind that altering settings makes little or no difference to my performance.

Incidentally, you are lucky in your choice of video card (I've actually considered buying a 6600, bearing in mind how cheap they are these days just to check this out) I noticed that 6600 owners seem to be having absolutely no problems with 1.10, and had few problems in Preview either.
It'll probably turn out the 6600 is the 'standard' graphics card for LL developers...

If I recall you were the one complaining about 1.9, 1.8, and 1.7. Now suddenly 1.9 worked fine?

Make up your mind.

LISTEN! And not selectively, as you seem very skilled at doing.

Fact: Each update since I joined SL HAS resulted in an incremental drop in fps, and not just for me.

Fact: By constantly upgrading my hardware at considerable loss I have managed to stay abreast of this drop

Fact: with a brand new virtually state-of-the art PC (considering SL doesn't support 64 bit, dual cpus or 1Gb video ram), I was able to run at satisfactory speed in 1.9 - which I can prove with screenshots.

Fact: with the identical machine I have aproximately 50% fps loss in both Preview and 1.10 - which I can prove with screenshots.

Fact: I'm now stonewalled - there is nowhere left for me to go, I can't make any significant improvement to my performance because the hardware isn't out there.


Now PLEASE stop arguing an issue you clearly know little about and making provocative remarks which amount to trolling.
Why not go play in 'The Forest' thread, I'm sure you can find a lot of people there to annoy.

Who else? Who else here has a properly configured PC that has noticed a drop in FPS?

My piece of crap rig hasn't noticed any loss in FPS in over a year.



Consumerism: It's what's for dinner.



Define satisfactory; it's an entirely subjective term.



So do it.



So look at the software configuration of your system. Update your drivers. Are you using your CD-ROM as a cupholder? Please unplug your cable modem and try again.



Thanks Daddy.

RTFT. The very first post says:





If your current setup is so crappy maybe you should post a message in the forums asking for donations so you can upgrade...

I wuv joo too. <3

It might be a Fact, but I have experienced a sensible framerate gain with 1.10 on a not crap machine. But I use an ATi card. So that's a possible difference. It's not only the low end machines which fare better though. Since I'm not obsessed by framerates, I can't prove it with screenshots. But it's very sensible.

If most people see 1.10 run better than 1.9, it is good and you should seek the causes for the issue on your machine or in the drivers you use, not blame them on SL directly.

It visibly doesn't work as well for you. All the people who run it better will find it hard to be displeased with 1.10 or to help you find the cause of your issues though.

Wendel

Hmmm, it's an interesting point about ATI Wendel. It used to be that ATIs were troublesome with SL (with Open GL to be precise) and you bought an nVidia if you didn't want problems - a generalisation I know, but one that was supported by much anecdotal evidence.

Happily for you that situation has improved somewhat, I've seen posts from numerous ATI owners commenting on their improved performance under 1.10.

But advising me to tinker with my machine really isn't the answer. I have in fact done a clean client install and reinstalled the latest nVidia drivers having first used driver cleaner pro... It made not an iota of difference. The mother board is nVidia SLi and I've done those drivers too. Rebooted my router. Checked for Ma/Ad ware. Cleaned the registry. Made sure the hardware firwall was correctly set (why should an update alter it anyway?). I've been in SL long enough to have heard all the fixes, and tried them all.

The problem lies in the client. It was there in Preview, and as soon as 1.10 hit the main grid it was there too. This isn't something I can fix, it's something only LL can fix.

Funnily enough it doesn't really matter that much for me any more as, some time ago, I got so fed up with the endless round of performance sapping updates, griefer attacks, seemingly endless rolling updates, economic upheaval and the general level of hassle with SL that I decided to withdraw. Something the current land glut and devaluation is making a tediously slow process. So, at the end of the day I'll be walking away... But while I'm here I still want LL to get it's act together and fix this issue.