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ZsuZsanna Raven
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02-03-2006 13:29
From: Mulch Ennui Sorry Gabe,
I am inclined to agree with ZsuZsanna on this one
I think a curtosy might be NSFW in the title of threads with virtual nudity
anymore really risks manipulating the demographic and/or the natural tone of the forums What does NSFW mean?
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Gabe Lippmann
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02-03-2006 13:33
From: ZsuZsanna Raven No offense but viewing the forums at your work shouldn't be a factor in how LL runs their forums... It might be if they are trying to maximize people's ability to use them. I also noted that this was a purely personal reason. Lastly, it further went to point out that people in different situations and with different mindsets than you may see it differently (people who have kids that hand around them while on the computer, people at work, people grossly offended by pixelated nudity, whatever). This is a PG forum in order to appeal to the broadest possible audience. As posters have the ability to link to other sources in a post, I don't view it as a terrible inconvenience that you can't splash up nudie skins right in a post. That said, I don't really care, but am happy my personal customer input shouldn't be a factor in how LL runs their forums. It seems only your input on how to run forums is important. 
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Gabe Lippmann
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02-03-2006 13:34
From: ZsuZsanna Raven What does NSFW mean? Not Safe For Work 
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ZsuZsanna Raven
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02-03-2006 13:53
From: Gabe Lippmann It might be if they are trying to maximize people's ability to use them. I also noted that this was a purely personal reason. Lastly, it further went to point out that people in different situations and with different mindsets than you may see it differently (people who have kids that hand around them while on the computer, people at work, people grossly offended by pixelated nudity, whatever). This is a PG forum in order to appeal to the broadest possible audience. As posters have the ability to link to other sources in a post, I don't view it as a terrible inconvenience that you can't splash up nudie skins right in a post. That said, I don't really care, but am happy my personal customer input shouldn't be a factor in how LL runs their forums. It seems only your input on how to run forums is important.  No need to be snarky, as I never said my opinion was the only one that mattered. That's not how I am and haven't presented myself that way that I can see. My point is the confusion on the term PG and why obvious cursing is allowed and not uncensored skins. It is just like threads that were made to talk about the forums were sent to Off-Topic when it was obvious they weren't. It can be hard I'm sure for a new person to come to the forums and be confused as to why it is PG but we can say fuck all we want...
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Gabe Lippmann
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02-03-2006 13:57
From: ZsuZsanna Raven No need to be snarky, as I never said my opinion was the only one that mattered. That's not how I am and haven't presented myself that way that I can see.
My point is the confusion on the term PG and why obvious cursing is allowed and not uncensored skins. It is just like threads that were made to talk about the forums were sent to Off-Topic when it was obvious they weren't. It can be hard I'm sure for a new person to come to the forums and be confused as to why it is PG but we can say fuck all we want... Understood. I edited in the smiley to indicate tongue-in-cheek (hmm...is that PG?) nature of my statement.
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ZsuZsanna Raven
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02-03-2006 14:02
From: Gabe Lippmann Understood. I edited in the smiley to indicate tongue-in-cheek (hmm...is that PG?) nature of my statement. Ok, let's hug now 
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Cocoanut Cookie
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02-03-2006 16:14
From: Cybin Monde on another note, i have some good news that may help your forum experience.. apparently, from what i understand, "colorful" language doesn't matter, it's the intent. so, you should no longer have to fear being moderated for using profanity in your posts, just don't use it to offend anyone and you'll be good to go. Then they need to say that, and say it clearly somewhere. Because all it says now is that "the forums are PG." In most people's minds, "PG" doesn't include, for example, the F word, no matter how hail-fellow-well-met it was stated. And it doesn't matter how good-heartedly you say bad words in SL, you can get reported for them. So why call these forums PG in the first place? Moreover, any rule which depends entirely on someone else's evaluation of another person's "intent" is a piss-poor rule from the get-go. coco
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Jonquille Noir
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02-03-2006 16:18
Stop the presses! I fully agree with Cocoa. From: Cocoanut Cookie Then they need to say that, and say it clearly somewhere. Because all it says now is that "the forums are PG." In most people's minds, "PG" doesn't include, for example, the F word, no matter how hail-fellow-well-met it was stated. And it doesn't matter how good-heartedly you say bad words in SL, you can get reported for them. So why call these forums PG in the first place? Moreover, any rule which depends entirely on someone else's evaluation of another person's "intent" is a piss-poor rule from the get-go. coco
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Sarendale Parvenu
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02-03-2006 17:08
From: Cybin Monde "colorful" language doesn't matter, it's the intent. so, you should no longer have to fear being moderated for using profanity in your posts, just don't use it to offend anyone and you'll be good to go There are many people who find profanity offensive. I am surrounded by them in the real world. Using profanity will offend these people, eveytime it is used. There isn't any need to examine the intent of the user, the offense is one hundred percent guaranteed. Every single bit of the Second Life service, the virtual environment, the website, the forums, and whatever else that is not explicitly marked as M rated is considered PG, according to the Community Standards. From: someone Any unrated area of Second Life or the Second Life website should be considered non-Mature (PG). The use of "colorful" language, that is, expletives, is confined to areas designated M by the Community Standards. From: someone Content, communication, or behavior which involves intense language or expletives, nudity or sexual content, the depiction of sex or violence, or anything else broadly offensive must be contained within private land in areas rated Mature (M) Is there a plan to modify this language, to change the rules that have been in effect for at least two years, or just to ignore the company's rules?
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Flavian Molinari
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02-03-2006 19:03
From: Surreal Farber
I'm tired of reading the rants and whines of people who think that their experience is the only gauge of what is true, right, proper, and real. Part of maturity is discovering that yours is not the ONE TRUE WAY... and letting other people have their opinions, pleasures, and ways of doing things - especially when it doesn't impact you.
I agree, and I've been sucked into bickering with folks that think time in SL makes them some kind of expert of world affairs, economics, politics, religion, and whatever else is on their mind. I have a problem with pseudo-intellectuals in general so I'm sure I come across as some sort of troll jackass to most of them here. I've cooled my heels mostly by using the blocked user list and the realization that arguing on the SL board is like arguing with high school kids. It's a waste of time on so many levels and teenagers usually know everything so why bother. Luckily these forums don't even come close to my in game experience.
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Siggy Romulus
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02-03-2006 19:11
From: Surreal Farber Oddly, the bickering itself doesn't bother me. And if you call me a c*nt, well then I will probably laugh, or figure that you're Siggy's alt.
What can I say? Some say it with flowers - I say it with the 'C-Bomb' As for forum amusement - I've invented a game that keeps me amused into the night - try and guess the number of words in Cybin's next post before he says 'resmod'.
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Cybin Monde
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Join date: 27 Jan 2004
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02-04-2006 03:25
no, seriously.. i was just sent into a short fit of laughter upon reading the rules of your new game, Siggy.  - but seriously, i have to agree that it's odd to have a basic ruling that expletives are allowed in the forums (PG) while not allowed (technically) on PG land in-world. on the other hand, i can see where the forums guidelines would be a bit more lenient than the in-world ones. you can't control what you come across in-world like you can here. maybe there could be an optional filter installed that would "*censored*" any expletives for those who wish not to see them. (uh-oh.. that's getting to be a bunch of words.. "ResMod"!  ) as for nudity, i agree that there should be lenience here to match that of language guidelines. nudity should be fine with the exception of graphic/explicit material, or more clearly anything that could be offensive beyond the simple display of nudity. (it should also, possibly, be confined to SL nudity and disallow for RL nudity) now, while some people may surf the forums with young children nearby, it's also not that hard to figure out what threads to avoid so as not to come across nudity. if there are children about, simply avoid those threads and return, if yuo wish, when the children are not nearby. all in all, i believe finding the most freedom should be key.
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MJ Hathor
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02-04-2006 08:36
From: Aimee Weber Can't say I hate anything about SL. These last two years have really rocked for me <3.
I certainly like to inject my opinions about the things I believe would or would not make Second Life better. This too is the result of my love for the platform. I share this sentiment  MJ
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Surreal Farber
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02-05-2006 06:58
From: Margaret Mfume Try not to get too worked up about the forums. Take a deep breath and try to remember that in the scheme of things, they are about like a chipped fingernail in importance.  Elegant and subtle. I appreciate that, even if 'm the target. I'm not all that worked up about the forums, but this week did crystalize for me that the only things I really dislike about SL are the forums. And it sucks that I feel like I have to read them for biz. And yes, I got your fingernail dig. That was in response to finding out that someone I care about is having a reoccurance of a tumor. Puts the life & death concerns of the forum into perspective for me. I still tune into the Detroit NPR btw, even though I am not on SL in the early morning to come around anymore. It's like a reminder of home.
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