LL to fix the griefing problem!!

What you can do with those is way less powerful than llPush though, it's limited to annoyance rather than major disruption. No longer can someone make an entire sim offlimits to an av (You only need a key to do this with llPush).

EDIT: yeah Ceera, Serenity Woods is disabling llPushObject and I believe the rest of the vallies are doing the same. I can't say the same for the other furry sims, but knowing them they'll at least give it a try. I can see alot of private sims disabling llPushObject, however, the mainland will always be a no man's land when it comes to protection. If you can put up with it, there's always walking around on a non-phys shield. While a bit slow, they do prevent you from being pushed and there are decent freebies around. Yiffy Yaffle has made one and you can find it in any FurFree vender on the grid.

Folks have made a lot of good points in this thread. It wont be an end to griefing, but its a sorely needed new tool in the anti-grief department.

Personally, I'm beyond geeked about No-Push, on so many levels.

This doesn't just prevent grief. It'll also prevent us (at the Shelter) from requiring such a militant no weapons/guns policy. I'm sure there's many new folks who have been chastized for wearing a weapon that didn't really deserve it, which sucks.

I'm really looking forward to letting a little bit of my guard down .

Is it restricted by the location of the pushing script, or the location of the target, though? That's an important question to know the answer to.

Oh goodie, so instead of high speed orbits your going to get float orbiters, just means you have more time to realize your screwed.

Fire off a scripted prim that follows an AV and sends off a series of fast but rather lightweight push bumps taking the av skyward. By making the cycle fast you can even make the orbit move rather quickly, invisi the prim and they won't see it coming. Give it a lateral component and have it cycle the occasional big push and it can drag you out of the land to push enabled land then orbit.

Nothings beens stopped, people are just going to get more creative =P

Oh goodie, so instead of high speed orbits your going to get float orbiters, just means you have more time to realize your screwed.

Fire off a scripted prim that follows an AV and sends off a series of fast but rather lightweight push bumps taking the av skyward. By making the cycle fast you can even make the orbit move rather quickly, invisi the prim and they won't see it coming. Give it a lateral component and have it cycle the occasional big push and it can drag you out of the land to push enabled land then orbit.

Nothings beens stopped, people are just going to get more creative =P

It's a start, but it's still a half-assed solution, and will NOT eliminate griefers. Make no mistake, I definitely applaud this move as one step in the right direction. It will help. But it won't, by itself, eliminate the problem.So, OK, for places like Luskwood and The Shelter, and maybe even for sims like Serenity Woods where the sim owner is concerned about such matters and still controls most of the parcels in the sim, this will be a godsend. They even made it so someone can still use a personally-owned device on themselves, like a vehicle that uses push to operate, which is quite well done. Likewise, devices owned by the land owner will still be able to use push, so elevators will still work, and security orbs can still push banned people away from a protected area. So, I would expect that the most heavily hit targets will gladly enable this defense as soon as it is available. It will help the hardest hit areas quite a lot.

HOWEVER... That leaves the rest of the map as a minefield that we must navigate while blindfolded. If you don't own the parcel yourself, you now have NO WAY AT ALL to know if the parcel owner has enabled this defense. You think it will be enabled everywhere? The default is NOT to do this. You think the Lindens are going to go around and enable this on every little piece of Linden-owned 'protected land'? I seriously doubt they have the manpower available to do that, even if they wanted to.

This change offers NO DEFENSE AT ALL unless you restrict your freedom of movement to your own personally owned land or to direct teleports to land that you know in advance is protected by the parcel owner enabling this defense. Set one foot off land that you own, and you are at the mercy of whatever defense level the parcel owner has bothered to enforce. Which in most cases will be no defense at all.

So the griefers will just move a bit, and will shoot you as soon as you set foot off the protected parcel.

Or they will use non-push methods of causing grief. Push weapons are one of the most annoying griefer tools, and among the easiest for an untrained moron to use. But there are many other things they can do to ruin someone's day.

The ONLY effective control on griefing is for Linden Labs to ACTIVELY ENFORCE THE TOS, and actually BAN these jerks, and all their alts, as soon as they are identified. If they persist in turning a blind eye to most of the problem, these idiots will continue to use SL as their playground for hate and vandalism. If they don't have enough manpower to investigate and enforce their own rules, then they better hire more staff!

And passively standing in a doorway to block it is nowhere near as much fun as blowing stuff up.

How do you vandalize anything in SL?

I badly want to smash peoples windows and spray paint their homes. Mostly because I am kind of sick int he head like that.

I predict it will end griefing.

If you can't LLpush, you can't do anything.

You don't know the /b/tards, do you? That's the big thing to do, and the origin of the "Pool's Closed" afro guys. Fortunately, most places you can fly in and out of, or they at least have multiple ways of getting in and out.

I predict it will end griefing.

If you can't LLpush, you can't do anything.

But I think an integral next step will be disabling/returning objects/scripts of banned avatars. (at least to have that option.)

Then the bananaphone followers couldn't follow you into an area where they're banned from.

Imagine being a griefer. You summon a cloud of laggy particle 'Object' objects to follow someone. The person wanders into land you're banned on. The objects get returned. Sometime later, when you're not thinking, you go "hm, I wonder what 'Object' is?"... and rez it next to yourself.

... wandering around in a child's avatar in a mature area saying "Are you my mommy?" - requires Push.

Because spawning fifty-kajillion prim penises, a particle poofer that fills a quarter of a sim, and "Woot Woot" sounds - while wandering around in a child's avatar in a mature area saying "Are you my mommy?" - requires Push.