Good sellers dont keep seacrets away from buyers.

only i noticed was the last name taken out so i guess the rest is acceptable to them in here

and why only take out a certain part of what i am saying there? is that so people will not read ALL i said and agree with you???

Guys please do not flame each other if someone from LL comes in and closes it fine but I would appreciate no flames they serve no purpose for or against this post.

Lemme get this straight, you bought the "complete deluxe version" and they still wanted to sell you addons?

And furthermore, not refunding the purchase when it was apparent to the buyer that they were not getting what they thought they had purchased is just wrong, and a poor business practise.

I would love to know what store this box of "stuff" came from.

I keep reading this thread title as "Good sellers don't keep Seacrest away from buyers".




Carry on.

Emphasis mine.

If you start a thread in general, you have asked for the opinions. You don't get to decide what is a valid opinion in the thread.



So, in other words, as everyone else who names names thinks, "My own personal little problem is more important than the ToS that everyone agrees to".

Nice. Classy.



And you somehow connect this desire to a ritual of public shaming?

The poster is from Norway and english is not her first language.

Reitsuki Kojima

I did not say I didn't want to hear peoples opinions and you are a perfect example of my post that you quoted. Opinions are fine FLAMES ARE NOT!

Do some friggen research!! If you thought to put your dispute in forums, maybe you should have done a search in forums about "prim babies" to see what drama has come before you?

If you are going to spend that kind of L's, you would think the research was more involved that doing a search for places.

GO bitch to the Linden's. I doubt the person is going to be "shamed" into giving you the L's back like you were hoping.

umm and just what is wrong with publically shameing a dishonest person? What is it wrong with warning others that someone is not provideing the services they advertise?
I understand the TOS violation involved but your attitude is that some how it is morally wrong to shame someone who deserves it?
i think we need to shame more people!

didn't this thread like die 6 months ago?

I guess it is one of the SL vampires. It is Baaaaaack!

Flame on babe, flame on.

Troy

Now see, if we hadn't stopped to sell babies in boxes ages ago, threads like these would be unnecessary.

If you want to do that, fine. But have the balls to admit it. Don't try to avoid the banhammer by saying that "all you want is a refund".

I am by nature a very vengeful person. But if you aren't going to own up to what you are doing, just don't.

Hi Cid. I'm not sure what you're getting at with the emphasis on "this includes." The last sentence is describing threads that are inappropriate for the forums generally described as “threads that are addressed to a single individual or group.” The phrase “this includes” starts a list of examples. One of those examples is “’naming names’ in a posts title.” There’s an “etc.” at the end to indicate that this isn’t an all-inclusive list.

I realize it’s enforced differently, but the guidelines only call out naming names in a post’s title, not anywhere else in the post.

HP

The unwritten second part of "this includes" is "but not limited to".

Teri Hatcher is keeping Seacrest away from buyers. That bitch!

So, the thought is that the "etc." allows for the policy of naming names anywhere in the text of the post (title, body, signature) is inappropriate.

The problem is that the author of this passage specifically called out naming names in the post's title and nowhere else. To me, then, it seems unusual to extend that to other parts of a post. If the author didn't want naming names in the entire post, why didn't they write the guideline that way? As written, one could interpret the guideline to mean: title bad, anywhere else must be good then. Was this actually the original intention of the author?

There is now an undocumented change that extends the policy to the entire post. This is not clear from reading the guidelines.

Just for the record and like I said before, I realize this policy keeps the drama down and makes moderating easier. The problem is that this causes the silliness of posters having to dance around people’s names. We need a public way to comment on (and rebut comments on) other users. With this policy, there’s no way to do that. The forums, at least, provide a better-than-nothing way.

HP

As for the topic of the thread - I dunno I keep some secrets from my buyers.

It depends on the nature of the secret.

For instance - there were things in place in 'The Swimmer' to tie it to future products.. one of those products was my swimmable swimming pools.

Seeing how I didn't have a pool ready for sale, and the swimmer was popular, I released it without mention of the additional feature until I was ready.

There are other 'hooks' in it that won't become apparent till later also.

I think I can withold as much info as I like - a 'bad seller' will do 'bad things' for the purpose of getting your money. And although a 'bad seller' may do shady and dishonest dealings by not giving you all information.

Not giving all information does not by defacto make you a bad seller.

A secret != evil.

A good example would be programmer access for script debugging. On one object I've built (which I have not yet begun to sell), I allow llGetCreator() access to control the device in the event someone who purchases it needs me to help them with a problem. I would never control someone's device without their permission.

I suppose if someone found out about this feature and found it to be reprehensible, I'd glady refund their money.

Are you suggesting that scripted objects include Usage Agreements?

Well well, at last a thread that made me de-lurk and post.

I have a question. The original poster was angry, wanted to shout out that anger, but aside from that was also giving consumer feedback.

Now, if I wanted to buy a prim baby (which I definitely don't), the naming names policy prevents me from hearing about these things on the forum. Where do I go to find out who's a dirty scammer or makes bad quality goods? Is there an equivalent of a consumer magazine?

If SL is supposed to be based on some sort of anarcho-capitalism, consumers needs tools.

Go to SLUniverse.com. You can name names there.

coco

Thank you for the quick answer.

Having said that, it's somewhat weird that I need to use a third party site (which doesn't seem to have that much discussion traffic) to do this.

you may find secondcitizen.com a better fit

Yes the original poster was angry she felt that telling the customer after selling her a full package that to actually get it another item almost half the price of the full one was needed but some people here live to flame thinking for some strange reason that it makes them look good when in fact it makes them look very small and petty.

Consumer feedback is an IMPORTANT part of the business world (I know I am a business owner and pulling this kind of stunt would put me out of business) but in some circles anything that doesn't agree with what they want or believe is unacceptable. It is called intolerance and for some strange reason they think it right and honesty and integrity are wrong.

I did a search in game and found there is not one so this little gamer is going to start a BBB or for those that don't realize the letters designation Better Business Bureau. There will be an in game and web page data base for this. Hopefully people will use this to help them find honest sellers and hopefully in some stretch it will convince all sellers to be just a little more honest. Who knows maybe it will flop but it is worth a try.

For the flamers both sides in this post does it really make you feel better to belittle others for the sake of your own enjoyment? I mean really... I could care less if you flame me because I am not going to respond 99% of the time and to me it makes you look like a fool only your fellow flamers enjoy or applaud you for it... Ok maybe some love to watch the drama but really there is enough of that on the TV and real life...

Anyway… happy flaming to all we said our peace and brought the attention to the community of a dishonest merchant what you do from this point on is your business since most seem to only care about making themselves look big by trying to belittle others. I hear a lot of bad things about this forum and the flame circles on it and wow were they right. If you can not handle others speaking in opinions that are not yours or you disagree with it I really pity you…

Happy flaming guys…

Edit:

Ok so there seems to be some sites for this but I am still going to start an in game BBB seems to be a legit buisness to me.

Just be careful with what you call it, as the actual BBB might not like you appropriating their name.

Also, doing it in-game might get you in the same kind of trouble. Off-site, however, is another matter. That's what sl-escorts.com is doing, basically.