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Rose Karuna

Lizard Doctor

Join date: 5 Jun 2004

Posts: 3,772

01-26-2006 08:30

From: Dianne Mechanique

Also they have all been shown a BIG stick.

You know, with the great power comes great responsibility, etc.

I agree - Linden's can't do it all. Obviously they would rather focus their talent in places other than the forum and who can blame them.

I think their choice of people was wise. Everyone on the list that I saw were people who have a history in the forums for being reasonable and responsible at least during the time that I've been in SL and reading the forums.

I have never been keen on **ANY** sort of sensorship, Linden or otherwise - For now, I just figure I'll sort of wait and see how it all works out.

It won't be an easy job, I've seen some threads evolve into some really nasty messes.

So consider me supportive.

Rose

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Jennyfur Peregrine

Whatever

Join date: 24 Dec 2003

Posts: 1,151

01-26-2006 08:44

From: FlipperPA Peregrine

Its not quite like that. They can only rate the threads to bring them to Linden attention. Only LL can lock/delete/ban.

-Me

well thats good.... so uh... if they can't do anything other than rate threads really what is the point?

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FlipperPA Peregrine

Magically Delicious!

Join date: 14 Nov 2003

Posts: 3,703

01-26-2006 08:48

From: Dianne Mechanique

Also they have all been shown a BIG stick.

You know, with the great power comes great responsibility, etc.

hehehehe, very true. I find I enjoy the forums when I take them about 10% seriously. That's why I think trying out some random resident moderation choices could lead to some interesting revelations. I rubberstamp your big stick idea!

Jenn, I think they rate threads that they want LL to review, and try to keep discussion on-topic through replies (like the gentle, "avoid personal attacks" reminders). If I were LL (and its prolly a damn good thing I'm not) I'd just get rid of these forums, come up with a decent "LL announcements / known issues / etc" within Second Life itself, and let resident run forums take over. That way people can choose if they want to be on a strict, "play nice" forum, or a chaotic, flame war, name-names kind of place.

In the long term, babysitting forums is a waste of the Community Team's time, when their focus should be on focusing the tools we have in-world to do what we need with community building. As SL moves towards being a more open-platform, with the end goal being the ability for people to host their own servers and de-centralize, these forums will become of less and less use as sub-communities develop their own communication systems. I think.

Regards,

-Flip

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Gabe Lippmann

"Phone's ringing, Dude."

Join date: 14 Jun 2004

Posts: 4,219

01-26-2006 09:03

From: Eggy Lippmann

In an ideal forum, this kind of snarky post would be seen as a personal attack, instantly deleted and get you suspended.

Maybe your "ideal", certainly not mine.

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Rickard Roentgen

Renaissance Punk

Join date: 4 Apr 2004

Posts: 1,869

01-26-2006 09:59

From: Aimee Weber

Eggy poked me in back in the beta.

Wait that didn't sound good...

<3

o.O

<- continuously laments the things he missed in beta.

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Selador Cellardoor

Registered User

Join date: 16 Nov 2003

Posts: 3,082

01-26-2006 10:18

From: Kris Ritter

What he said.

Hey Selador! We agree on something!

*Has already hung out the flags*

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Selador Cellardoor

Registered User

Join date: 16 Nov 2003

Posts: 3,082

01-26-2006 10:19

From: Frans Charming

Aren't almost all forums moderated by users?

Yes, and look at most forums.

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Siggy Romulus

DILLIGAF

Join date: 22 Sep 2003

Posts: 5,711

01-26-2006 11:32

I rate this thread 'two snaps, a twist, and a kiss'

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From: Jesse Linden

I, for one, am highly un-helped by this thread

Cybin Monde

Resident Moderator (?)

Join date: 27 Jan 2004

Posts: 2,468

01-26-2006 13:16

From: FlipperPA Peregrine

Its not quite like that. They can only rate the threads to bring them to Linden attention. Only LL can lock/delete/ban.

-Me

actually, Flip, we can move them. see this. i started that thread in General, moved it to Off Topic, then proceeded to try to Edit the Thread, but could not. also tried to Delete Thread, but couldn't do that either.

after some testing, so far as i've been able to acheive..

we CAN:

Rate
Move
Stick/Unstick
Merge/Split
Close/Open

we CAN NOT:
(threads or posts)

Edit
Delete

and i believe that covers it.

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Jeska Linden

Administrator

Join date: 26 Jul 2004

Posts: 2,388

01-26-2006 13:47

Just to clarify -- ResMods are not able to:

Stick/Unstick
Merge/Split
Close/Open

The options may be visible - but they're not functional.

They CAN
Rate
Move

Cybin Monde

Resident Moderator (?)

Join date: 27 Jan 2004

Posts: 2,468

umm..

01-26-2006 13:53

Jeska,

thought i would point out that the tools are apparently not working quite right.

i just stickied this thread.

i was also able to perform the actions i defined in my previous post to the thread i had started here in General and moved to Off Topic.

Edit: i'm not trying to step on toes, just trying to make sure this is working correctly as quickly as possible.

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"We, as developers, are doing the easy part – building the scaffolding for a new world. You, as the engines of creation, must breathe life into it."
- Philip Linden

"There is no life I know to compare with pure imagination. Living there, you'll be free if you truly wish to be."
- Willy Wonka (circa 1971)

SecondSpace (http://groups.myspace.com/secondspace) : MySpace group for SLers.

Moopf Murray

Moopfmerising

Join date: 7 Jan 2004

Posts: 2,448

01-26-2006 13:55

From: Jeska Linden

Just to clarify -- ResMods are not able to:

Stick/Unstick
Merge/Split
Close/Open

The options may be visible - but they're not functional.

They CAN
Rate
Move

Can they edit?

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SuezanneC Baskerville

Forums Rock!

Join date: 22 Dec 2003

Posts: 14,229

01-26-2006 13:58

From: Cybin Monde

i just stickied this thread.

While you are stickying threads perhaps you could sticky a lengthy one in the design forum on how to create alpha textures in Photoshop, Paintshop Pro, Photopaint, and GIMP for all versions created in the past 5 years or so.

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Jeska Linden

Administrator

Join date: 26 Jul 2004

Posts: 2,388

01-26-2006 14:00

Thanks Cybin - appears to be a bug with the way we set up vbulletin, I'll check on it right away.

Cybin Monde

Resident Moderator (?)

Join date: 27 Jan 2004

Posts: 2,468

no problem

01-26-2006 14:03

wait.. did i just moderate both Jeska and myself? what the heck is going on?

someone pull the DeLorean over.. i think the Mr. Fusion has gone wonky.

(hmm, should i unsticky this now?)

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"We, as developers, are doing the easy part – building the scaffolding for a new world. You, as the engines of creation, must breathe life into it."
- Philip Linden

"There is no life I know to compare with pure imagination. Living there, you'll be free if you truly wish to be."
- Willy Wonka (circa 1971)

SecondSpace (http://groups.myspace.com/secondspace) : MySpace group for SLers.

Siobhan Taylor

Nemesis

Join date: 13 Aug 2003

Posts: 5,476

01-26-2006 14:05

From: Cybin Monde

wait.. did i just moderate both Jeska and myself? what the heck is going on?

someone pull the DeLorean over.. i think the Mr. Fusion has gone wonky.

(hmm, should i unsticky this now?)

The real question is whether Jeska will get a 3 day suspension for naming names in the announcement thread...

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ZsuZsanna Raven

~:+: Supah Kitteh :+:~

Join date: 19 Dec 2004

Posts: 2,361

01-26-2006 14:05

Personally, if I were a forum mod, I wouldn't have chosen this particular thread to try to stick...

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Lash Xevious

Gooberly

Join date: 8 May 2004

Posts: 1,348

01-26-2006 14:12

From: SuezanneC Baskerville

While you are stickying threads perhaps you could sticky a lengthy one in the design forum on how to create alpha textures in Photoshop, Paintshop Pro, Photopaint, and GIMP for all versions created in the past 5 years or so.

I thought of digging through the Design forum and stickying all the threads that explained how to make certain textures and make clothing, etc. I get asked about Photoshop a lot. But alas, turns out we can't do that.

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Rose Karuna Lizard Doctor Join date: 5 Jun 2004 Posts: 3,772	01-26-2006 08:30 From: Dianne Mechanique Also they have all been shown a BIG stick. You know, with the great power comes great responsibility, etc. I agree - Linden's can't do it all. Obviously they would rather focus their talent in places other than the forum and who can blame them. I think their choice of people was wise. Everyone on the list that I saw were people who have a history in the forums for being reasonable and responsible at least during the time that I've been in SL and reading the forums. I have never been keen on ANY sort of sensorship, Linden or otherwise - For now, I just figure I'll sort of wait and see how it all works out. It won't be an easy job, I've seen some threads evolve into some really nasty messes. So consider me supportive. Rose _____________________ I Do Whatever My Rice Krispies Tell Me To
Jennyfur Peregrine Whatever Join date: 24 Dec 2003 Posts: 1,151	01-26-2006 08:44 From: FlipperPA Peregrine Its not quite like that. They can only rate the threads to bring them to Linden attention. Only LL can lock/delete/ban. -Me well thats good.... so uh... if they can't do anything other than rate threads really what is the point? _____________________ ~Jennyfur~ http://jennyfurperegrine.wordpress.com/ http://slcc2007.wordpress.com/ Deadly Nightshade Design Studio (Indigo 86,61) Jennyfur's Designs on SLBoutique
FlipperPA Peregrine Magically Delicious! Join date: 14 Nov 2003 Posts: 3,703	01-26-2006 08:48 From: Dianne Mechanique Also they have all been shown a BIG stick. You know, with the great power comes great responsibility, etc. hehehehe, very true. I find I enjoy the forums when I take them about 10% seriously. That's why I think trying out some random resident moderation choices could lead to some interesting revelations. I rubberstamp your big stick idea! Jenn, I think they rate threads that they want LL to review, and try to keep discussion on-topic through replies (like the gentle, "avoid personal attacks" reminders). If I were LL (and its prolly a damn good thing I'm not) I'd just get rid of these forums, come up with a decent "LL announcements / known issues / etc" within Second Life itself, and let resident run forums take over. That way people can choose if they want to be on a strict, "play nice" forum, or a chaotic, flame war, name-names kind of place. In the long term, babysitting forums is a waste of the Community Team's time, when their focus should be on focusing the tools we have in-world to do what we need with community building. As SL moves towards being a more open-platform, with the end goal being the ability for people to host their own servers and de-centralize, these forums will become of less and less use as sub-communities develop their own communication systems. I think. Regards, -Flip _____________________ Peregrine Salon: www.PeregrineSalon.com - my consulting company Second Blogger: www.SecondBlogger.com - free, fully integrated Second Life blogging for all avatars!
Gabe Lippmann "Phone's ringing, Dude." Join date: 14 Jun 2004 Posts: 4,219	01-26-2006 09:03 From: Eggy Lippmann In an ideal forum, this kind of snarky post would be seen as a personal attack, instantly deleted and get you suspended. Maybe your "ideal", certainly not mine. _____________________ go to Nocturnal Threads
Rickard Roentgen Renaissance Punk Join date: 4 Apr 2004 Posts: 1,869	01-26-2006 09:59 From: Aimee Weber Eggy poked me in back in the beta. Wait that didn't sound good... <3 o.O <- continuously laments the things he missed in beta. _____________________
Selador Cellardoor Registered User Join date: 16 Nov 2003 Posts: 3,082	01-26-2006 10:18 From: Kris Ritter What he said. Hey Selador! We agree on something! Has already hung out the flags _____________________
Selador Cellardoor Registered User Join date: 16 Nov 2003 Posts: 3,082	01-26-2006 10:19 From: Frans Charming Aren't almost all forums moderated by users? Yes, and look at most forums. _____________________
Siggy Romulus DILLIGAF Join date: 22 Sep 2003 Posts: 5,711	01-26-2006 11:32 I rate this thread 'two snaps, a twist, and a kiss' _____________________ The Second Life forums are living proof as to why it's illegal for people to have sex with farm animals. From: Jesse Linden I, for one, am highly un-helped by this thread
Cybin Monde Resident Moderator (?) Join date: 27 Jan 2004 Posts: 2,468	01-26-2006 13:16 From: FlipperPA Peregrine Its not quite like that. They can only rate the threads to bring them to Linden attention. Only LL can lock/delete/ban. -Me actually, Flip, we can move them. see this. i started that thread in General, moved it to Off Topic, then proceeded to try to Edit the Thread, but could not. also tried to Delete Thread, but couldn't do that either. after some testing, so far as i've been able to acheive.. we CAN: Rate Move Stick/Unstick Merge/Split Close/Open we CAN NOT: (threads or posts) Edit Delete and i believe that covers it. _____________________ "We, as developers, are doing the easy part – building the scaffolding for a new world. You, as the engines of creation, must breathe life into it." - Philip Linden "There is no life I know to compare with pure imagination. Living there, you'll be free if you truly wish to be." - Willy Wonka (circa 1971) SecondSpace (http://groups.myspace.com/secondspace) : MySpace group for SLers.
Jeska Linden Administrator Join date: 26 Jul 2004 Posts: 2,388	01-26-2006 13:47 Just to clarify -- ResMods are not able to: Stick/Unstick Merge/Split Close/Open The options may be visible - but they're not functional. They CAN Rate Move
Cybin Monde Resident Moderator (?) Join date: 27 Jan 2004 Posts: 2,468	umm.. 01-26-2006 13:53 Jeska, thought i would point out that the tools are apparently not working quite right. i just stickied this thread. i was also able to perform the actions i defined in my previous post to the thread i had started here in General and moved to Off Topic. Edit: i'm not trying to step on toes, just trying to make sure this is working correctly as quickly as possible. _____________________ "We, as developers, are doing the easy part – building the scaffolding for a new world. You, as the engines of creation, must breathe life into it." - Philip Linden "There is no life I know to compare with pure imagination. Living there, you'll be free if you truly wish to be." - Willy Wonka (circa 1971) SecondSpace (http://groups.myspace.com/secondspace) : MySpace group for SLers.
Moopf Murray Moopfmerising Join date: 7 Jan 2004 Posts: 2,448	01-26-2006 13:55 From: Jeska Linden Just to clarify -- ResMods are not able to: Stick/Unstick Merge/Split Close/Open The options may be visible - but they're not functional. They CAN Rate Move Can they edit? _____________________
SuezanneC Baskerville Forums Rock! Join date: 22 Dec 2003 Posts: 14,229	01-26-2006 13:58 From: Cybin Monde i just stickied this thread. While you are stickying threads perhaps you could sticky a lengthy one in the design forum on how to create alpha textures in Photoshop, Paintshop Pro, Photopaint, and GIMP for all versions created in the past 5 years or so. _____________________ - So long to these forums, the vBulletin forums that used to be at forums.secondlife.com. I will miss them. I can be found on the web by searching for "SuezanneC Baskerville", or go to http://www.google.com/profiles/suezanne - http://lindenlab.tribe.net/ created on 11/19/03. Members: Ben, Catherine, Colin, Cory, Dan, Doug, Jim, Philip, Phoenix, Richard, Robin, and Ryan -
Jeska Linden Administrator Join date: 26 Jul 2004 Posts: 2,388	01-26-2006 14:00 Thanks Cybin - appears to be a bug with the way we set up vbulletin, I'll check on it right away.
Cybin Monde Resident Moderator (?) Join date: 27 Jan 2004 Posts: 2,468	no problem 01-26-2006 14:03 wait.. did i just moderate both Jeska and myself? what the heck is going on? someone pull the DeLorean over.. i think the Mr. Fusion has gone wonky. (hmm, should i unsticky this now?) _____________________ "We, as developers, are doing the easy part – building the scaffolding for a new world. You, as the engines of creation, must breathe life into it." - Philip Linden "There is no life I know to compare with pure imagination. Living there, you'll be free if you truly wish to be." - Willy Wonka (circa 1971) SecondSpace (http://groups.myspace.com/secondspace) : MySpace group for SLers.
Siobhan Taylor Nemesis Join date: 13 Aug 2003 Posts: 5,476	01-26-2006 14:05 From: Cybin Monde wait.. did i just moderate both Jeska and myself? what the heck is going on? someone pull the DeLorean over.. i think the Mr. Fusion has gone wonky. (hmm, should i unsticky this now?) The real question is whether Jeska will get a 3 day suspension for naming names in the announcement thread... _____________________ http://siobhantaylor.wordpress.com/
ZsuZsanna Raven ~:+: Supah Kitteh :+:~ Join date: 19 Dec 2004 Posts: 2,361	01-26-2006 14:05 Personally, if I were a forum mod, I wouldn't have chosen this particular thread to try to stick... _____________________ ~Mewz!~
Lash Xevious Gooberly Join date: 8 May 2004 Posts: 1,348	01-26-2006 14:12 From: SuezanneC Baskerville While you are stickying threads perhaps you could sticky a lengthy one in the design forum on how to create alpha textures in Photoshop, Paintshop Pro, Photopaint, and GIMP for all versions created in the past 5 years or so. I thought of digging through the Design forum and stickying all the threads that explained how to make certain textures and make clothing, etc. I get asked about Photoshop a lot. But alas, turns out we can't do that.

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