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Zuleica Sartre

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05-20-2006 08:47

From: Ricky Zamboni

Not even.

It's actually like seeing a flyer for a silent auction (you know, where you look at the merchandise and write down your bid, with the highest bidder at the end of the night getting the item) advertising several items including a plasma TV. When you go to the venue, you see the other advertised auction items placed around the room with bid sheets next to them, and the TV sitting behind a table, also with a bid sheet next to it. You ask someone working the auction if the TV is actually for sale, and they tell you "good luck with your bid". So, you write down your $1 bid on the sheet. At the end of the night, the people running the event take your payment, you take the TV and sell it to somebody else. A couple of days later, the auctioners tell you that they had decided not to put the TV for auction *that night*, and expect you to give them back the TV. When you complain, they take all the other TVs you have in your house because you agreed they could do that when you walked into the venue.

This is the most absurd analogy yet...

You people are all still arguing over the number of angels that can dance on the head of a pin.

Bottom line is this guy KNEW damn well he was acting unethically...and those of you that don't know it need to take a hard look inside yourselves, you're missing something.

Darkness Anubis

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05-20-2006 08:56

From: Nicole David

I don´t know the whole story, but I don´t think he should be punished without warning for a glitch in their system. I think they should had communicated with him, explaining the situation, and tried to make it work out rather than blindly banning him.

As I understand it his accounts have been FROZEN not banned, pending resolution of this dispute.

This in my experience is a fairly common and accepted practice to protect assets on both sides of the dipute.

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Sator Canetti

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05-20-2006 09:04

From: Noh Rinkitink

The plantiff's side of the story is the only one we have so far.

Consider how many people here are against him with HIS OWN version of the story...

Also, as a corporate entity, I really don't expect Linden Labs to say anything in regards to this situtation.

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Reitsuki Kojima

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05-20-2006 09:36

From: Ricky Zamboni

Not even.

It's actually like seeing a flyer for a silent auction (you know, where you look at the merchandise and write down your bid, with the highest bidder at the end of the night getting the item) advertising several items including a plasma TV. When you go to the venue, you see the other advertised auction items placed around the room with bid sheets next to them, and the TV sitting behind a table, also with a bid sheet next to it. You ask someone working the auction if the TV is actually for sale, and they tell you "good luck with your bid". So, you write down your $1 bid on the sheet. At the end of the night, the people running the event take your payment, you take the TV and sell it to somebody else. A couple of days later, the auctioners tell you that they had decided not to put the TV for auction *that night*, and expect you to give them back the TV. When you complain, they take all the other TVs you have in your house because you agreed they could do that when you walked into the venue.

Nope. Because in your example, all participants see the TV when they come in to the auction room - this was not the case here. Instead, finding the TV involved snooping around in the back rooms until you found one set for tommorow nights auction, and bid on that one instead.

Nor is your punishment analogy apt, unless you obtained all your TVs that way.

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Juro Kothari

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05-20-2006 09:41

From: Zuleica Sartre

Bottom line is this guy KNEW damn well he was acting unethically...

Exactly. But, then again, what else would you expect from an abulance chaser?

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Noh Rinkitink

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05-20-2006 10:09

From: Sator Canetti

Consider how many people here are against him with HIS OWN version of the story...

Well, considering that he admitted to gaming the system to get access to land auctions he, as someone who was not an auctioneer or other administrative type with authorization to control auction details, didn't have authority over, and set artificially low starting bid prices to win cheap auctions so he could later resell the land for !!!BIG!!!$$$MONEY$$$, I can see why he wouldn't be viewed too kindly by some folks.

Xavier Pavlova

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05-20-2006 11:36

I love how many people become legal experts after having seen a crime drama or two. Personally, I always prefered Night Court... Much less drama. Legality and ethics aside, there are a few things that I would like to comment on.

1. Yes, no matter the outcome, we will likely all be boned in some way despite the fact that we had nothing to do with the situation directly.

2. It has been my personal experience that no one who ever says "IMHO" has ever even seen the back end of humble as it was running away from them. (I really do hate that phrase)

3. Unless you are a lawyer, have been taken to court for the exact same thing (under the exact same circumstances) and have a terrific memory, or you are the judge who will be hearing this case (or know said judge personally), please refrain from pretending like you know what you're talking about. Otherwise giving your opinions on an outcome just makes you sound like a bunch of children who think they know how santa gets to every house in one night, but still dont know that the guy in the mall wears a fake beard, drinks Tia Maria out of a coffee mug, and is known to friends and family as "Bobby" E. Lee.

and finally...

4. All other things aside the only facts you have are what was written in an article by the same person who will be playing the part of the victim in this month's melodrama. Please remember that as such, these facts may be just slightly biased. In addition, the fact that contact information for said victim was included only serves to futher support the belief that this is nothing but a PR stunt. That being said, I'm now confused as to if PR Wire stands for "Press Release" or "Public Relations".

Now that I've said that, based on what can be inffered from his actions, I think the guy is a dick and wouldnt mind hearing about how someone put a thin glass tube filled with salt and bleach into his urethra and gave his member a good hard smack with a mallet.

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05-20-2006 12:04

Harsh, dude.

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Reitsuki Kojima

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05-20-2006 12:07

From: Xavier Pavlova

3. Unless you are a lawyer, have been taken to court for the exact same thing (under the exact same circumstances) and have a terrific memory, or you are the judge who will be hearing this case (or know said judge personally), please refrain from pretending like you know what you're talking about. Otherwise giving your opinions on an outcome just makes you sound like a bunch of children who think they know how santa gets to every house in one night, but still dont know that the guy in the mall wears a fake beard, drinks Tia Maria out of a coffee mug, and is known to friends and family as "Bobby" E. Lee.

This thread is not titled "Legal Opinion By Humperdink, Fitzpatrick and Otis". It's a discussion. You know, where people discuss things. Nobody made you read it, and bitching about people discussing a topic, in a thread devoted to the discussion of said topic, makes you ten kinds of annoying, particularly when you a paragraph before tried to verbally backhand people for using the word humble.

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Xavier Pavlova

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05-20-2006 12:10

Maybe... but I never claimed humility... in fact, I know I'm an asshole.

Noh Rinkitink

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05-20-2006 12:29

From: Xavier Pavlova

It has been my personal experience that no one who ever says "IMHO" has ever even seen the back end of humble as it was running away from them. (I really do hate that phrase)

But tell us how you really feel about it...

Somewhat more seriously, "humble" has more than one meaning. Using the m-w.com definition, there's not only the obvious one, but "reflecting, expressing, or offered in a spirit of deference or submission" and "ranking low in a hierarchy or scale" (definitions 2 and 3 in the linked entry). Given the lack of legal grounding of most folks (myself included), I'd say the latter secondary definition would apply, making "humble" the right word.

Thus ends Mr. Language's lesson for today.

Lupus Delacroix

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05-20-2006 12:32

From: Noh Rinkitink

But tell us how you really feel about it...

Somewhat more seriously, "humble" has more than one meaning. Using the m-w.com definition, there's not only the obvious one, but "reflecting, expressing, or offered in a spirit of deference or submission" and "ranking low in a hierarchy or scale" (definitions 2 and 3 in the linked entry). Given the lack of legal grounding of most folks (myself included), I'd say the latter secondary definition would apply, making "humble" the right word.

Thus ends Mr. Language's lesson for today.

thats in her humble opinion of course.

Warda Kawabata

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05-20-2006 15:47

For those of you who are saying he deserves to get the lawbooks thrown at him for acting unethically...

Since when has what's legal had much to do with what's ethical? There are plenty of counter-examples to demonstrate the contrary position.

vivi Odets

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05-20-2006 16:02

From: Martin Magpie

True, but LL did leave the door open. Locks are meant to keep honest ppl, honest.

Locks are meant to keep dishonest people honest... The honest people have self control.

Reitsuki Kojima

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05-20-2006 22:05

From: Warda Kawabata

For those of you who are saying he deserves to get the lawbooks thrown at him for acting unethically...

Since when has what's legal had much to do with what's ethical? There are plenty of counter-examples to demonstrate the contrary position.

All of which are generally considered things we should try to avoid, not use to excuse other, similar behavior.

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Noh Rinkitink

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05-20-2006 22:11

From: Lupus Delacroix

thats in her humble opinion of course.

Nope, not at all. My opinion is humble in none of the 3 main definitions.

He's actually suing LL?!?
Zuleica Sartre Registered User Join date: 27 Sep 2005 Posts: 105	05-20-2006 08:47 From: Ricky Zamboni Not even. It's actually like seeing a flyer for a silent auction (you know, where you look at the merchandise and write down your bid, with the highest bidder at the end of the night getting the item) advertising several items including a plasma TV. When you go to the venue, you see the other advertised auction items placed around the room with bid sheets next to them, and the TV sitting behind a table, also with a bid sheet next to it. You ask someone working the auction if the TV is actually for sale, and they tell you "good luck with your bid". So, you write down your $1 bid on the sheet. At the end of the night, the people running the event take your payment, you take the TV and sell it to somebody else. A couple of days later, the auctioners tell you that they had decided not to put the TV for auction that night, and expect you to give them back the TV. When you complain, they take all the other TVs you have in your house because you agreed they could do that when you walked into the venue. This is the most absurd analogy yet... You people are all still arguing over the number of angels that can dance on the head of a pin. Bottom line is this guy KNEW damn well he was acting unethically...and those of you that don't know it need to take a hard look inside yourselves, you're missing something.
Darkness Anubis Registered User Join date: 14 Jun 2004 Posts: 1,628	05-20-2006 08:56 From: Nicole David I don´t know the whole story, but I don´t think he should be punished without warning for a glitch in their system. I think they should had communicated with him, explaining the situation, and tried to make it work out rather than blindly banning him. As I understand it his accounts have been FROZEN not banned, pending resolution of this dispute. This in my experience is a fairly common and accepted practice to protect assets on both sides of the dipute. _____________________
Sator Canetti Frustrated Catgirl Join date: 20 Sep 2005 Posts: 130	05-20-2006 09:04 From: Noh Rinkitink The plantiff's side of the story is the only one we have so far. Consider how many people here are against him with HIS OWN version of the story... Also, as a corporate entity, I really don't expect Linden Labs to say anything in regards to this situtation. _____________________ "Have gone to commit suicide. Intend to return from grave Friday. Feed cat." -- A memo by Spider Jerusalem in Transmetropolitan "Some people are like Slinkies; not really good for anything, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs." If you're reading this signature, I've probably just disagreed with you. Welcome to the club
Reitsuki Kojima Witchhunter Join date: 27 Jan 2004 Posts: 5,328	05-20-2006 09:36 From: Ricky Zamboni Not even. It's actually like seeing a flyer for a silent auction (you know, where you look at the merchandise and write down your bid, with the highest bidder at the end of the night getting the item) advertising several items including a plasma TV. When you go to the venue, you see the other advertised auction items placed around the room with bid sheets next to them, and the TV sitting behind a table, also with a bid sheet next to it. You ask someone working the auction if the TV is actually for sale, and they tell you "good luck with your bid". So, you write down your $1 bid on the sheet. At the end of the night, the people running the event take your payment, you take the TV and sell it to somebody else. A couple of days later, the auctioners tell you that they had decided not to put the TV for auction that night, and expect you to give them back the TV. When you complain, they take all the other TVs you have in your house because you agreed they could do that when you walked into the venue. Nope. Because in your example, all participants see the TV when they come in to the auction room - this was not the case here. Instead, finding the TV involved snooping around in the back rooms until you found one set for tommorow nights auction, and bid on that one instead. Nor is your punishment analogy apt, unless you obtained all your TVs that way. _____________________ I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
Juro Kothari Like a dog on a bone Join date: 4 Sep 2003 Posts: 4,418	05-20-2006 09:41 From: Zuleica Sartre Bottom line is this guy KNEW damn well he was acting unethically... Exactly. But, then again, what else would you expect from an abulance chaser? _____________________
Noh Rinkitink Just some Nohbody Join date: 31 Jan 2006 Posts: 572	05-20-2006 10:09 From: Sator Canetti Consider how many people here are against him with HIS OWN version of the story... Well, considering that he admitted to gaming the system to get access to land auctions he, as someone who was not an auctioneer or other administrative type with authorization to control auction details, didn't have authority over, and set artificially low starting bid prices to win cheap auctions so he could later resell the land for !!!BIG!!!$$$MONEY$$$, I can see why he wouldn't be viewed too kindly by some folks.
Xavier Pavlova Registered User Join date: 28 Jul 2005 Posts: 7	05-20-2006 11:36 I love how many people become legal experts after having seen a crime drama or two. Personally, I always prefered Night Court... Much less drama. Legality and ethics aside, there are a few things that I would like to comment on. 1. Yes, no matter the outcome, we will likely all be boned in some way despite the fact that we had nothing to do with the situation directly. 2. It has been my personal experience that no one who ever says "IMHO" has ever even seen the back end of humble as it was running away from them. (I really do hate that phrase) 3. Unless you are a lawyer, have been taken to court for the exact same thing (under the exact same circumstances) and have a terrific memory, or you are the judge who will be hearing this case (or know said judge personally), please refrain from pretending like you know what you're talking about. Otherwise giving your opinions on an outcome just makes you sound like a bunch of children who think they know how santa gets to every house in one night, but still dont know that the guy in the mall wears a fake beard, drinks Tia Maria out of a coffee mug, and is known to friends and family as "Bobby" E. Lee. and finally... 4. All other things aside the only facts you have are what was written in an article by the same person who will be playing the part of the victim in this month's melodrama. Please remember that as such, these facts may be just slightly biased. In addition, the fact that contact information for said victim was included only serves to futher support the belief that this is nothing but a PR stunt. That being said, I'm now confused as to if PR Wire stands for "Press Release" or "Public Relations". Now that I've said that, based on what can be inffered from his actions, I think the guy is a dick and wouldnt mind hearing about how someone put a thin glass tube filled with salt and bleach into his urethra and gave his member a good hard smack with a mallet. Thank you, have a lovely day. -- X
Osprey Therian I want capslocklock Join date: 6 Jul 2004 Posts: 5,049	05-20-2006 12:04 Harsh, dude. _____________________ http:www.atomic-raygun.com Combat Cards in Europa [url=http://slurl.com/secondlife/grignano/118/116/]The Photography Studio in Grignano[/url] Mud! Mud! Glorious mud! Nothing quite like it for cooling the blood. So, follow me, follow, down to the hollow, And there let us wallow in glorious mud. Flanders and Swan
Reitsuki Kojima Witchhunter Join date: 27 Jan 2004 Posts: 5,328	05-20-2006 12:07 From: Xavier Pavlova 3. Unless you are a lawyer, have been taken to court for the exact same thing (under the exact same circumstances) and have a terrific memory, or you are the judge who will be hearing this case (or know said judge personally), please refrain from pretending like you know what you're talking about. Otherwise giving your opinions on an outcome just makes you sound like a bunch of children who think they know how santa gets to every house in one night, but still dont know that the guy in the mall wears a fake beard, drinks Tia Maria out of a coffee mug, and is known to friends and family as "Bobby" E. Lee. This thread is not titled "Legal Opinion By Humperdink, Fitzpatrick and Otis". It's a discussion. You know, where people discuss things. Nobody made you read it, and bitching about people discussing a topic, in a thread devoted to the discussion of said topic, makes you ten kinds of annoying, particularly when you a paragraph before tried to verbally backhand people for using the word humble. _____________________ I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
Xavier Pavlova Registered User Join date: 28 Jul 2005 Posts: 7	05-20-2006 12:10 Maybe... but I never claimed humility... in fact, I know I'm an asshole.
Noh Rinkitink Just some Nohbody Join date: 31 Jan 2006 Posts: 572	05-20-2006 12:29 From: Xavier Pavlova It has been my personal experience that no one who ever says "IMHO" has ever even seen the back end of humble as it was running away from them. (I really do hate that phrase) But tell us how you really feel about it... Somewhat more seriously, "humble" has more than one meaning. Using the m-w.com definition, there's not only the obvious one, but "reflecting, expressing, or offered in a spirit of deference or submission" and "ranking low in a hierarchy or scale" (definitions 2 and 3 in the linked entry). Given the lack of legal grounding of most folks (myself included), I'd say the latter secondary definition would apply, making "humble" the right word. Thus ends Mr. Language's lesson for today.
Lupus Delacroix Wyrm Raider Join date: 3 May 2006 Posts: 695	05-20-2006 12:32 From: Noh Rinkitink But tell us how you really feel about it... Somewhat more seriously, "humble" has more than one meaning. Using the m-w.com definition, there's not only the obvious one, but "reflecting, expressing, or offered in a spirit of deference or submission" and "ranking low in a hierarchy or scale" (definitions 2 and 3 in the linked entry). Given the lack of legal grounding of most folks (myself included), I'd say the latter secondary definition would apply, making "humble" the right word. Thus ends Mr. Language's lesson for today. thats in her humble opinion of course.
Warda Kawabata Amityville Horror Join date: 4 Nov 2005 Posts: 1,300	05-20-2006 15:47 For those of you who are saying he deserves to get the lawbooks thrown at him for acting unethically... Since when has what's legal had much to do with what's ethical? There are plenty of counter-examples to demonstrate the contrary position.
vivi Odets Flibbertigibbet Join date: 4 Sep 2005 Posts: 698	05-20-2006 16:02 From: Martin Magpie True, but LL did leave the door open. Locks are meant to keep honest ppl, honest. Locks are meant to keep dishonest people honest... The honest people have self control.
Reitsuki Kojima Witchhunter Join date: 27 Jan 2004 Posts: 5,328	05-20-2006 22:05 From: Warda Kawabata For those of you who are saying he deserves to get the lawbooks thrown at him for acting unethically... Since when has what's legal had much to do with what's ethical? There are plenty of counter-examples to demonstrate the contrary position. All of which are generally considered things we should try to avoid, not use to excuse other, similar behavior. _____________________ I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
Noh Rinkitink Just some Nohbody Join date: 31 Jan 2006 Posts: 572	05-20-2006 22:11 From: Lupus Delacroix thats in her humble opinion of course. Nope, not at all. My opinion is humble in none of the 3 main definitions.

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