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Caliandris Pendragon
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07-25-2006 08:49
Anyone see this:
http://secondlife.blogs.com/philip/

So that's OK. The world is bugged to hell, the users are baying at the gates, the bugs are taking over... but the Lindens are happy so that's OK.

All say "ohm" after me...
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windozer Vargas
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07-25-2006 08:51
From: Caliandris Pendragon
Anyone see this:
http://secondlife.blogs.com/philip/

So that's OK. The world is bugged to hell, the users are baying at the gates, the bugs are taking over... but the Lindens are happy so that's OK.

All say "ohm" after me...
Cali

amem..hell no
few months ago i would login into sl and feel like logged into something great,these days its like i got into a broken car falling apart and going at 200 miles per hour
Schwanson Schlegel
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07-25-2006 08:56
From: windozer Vargas
amem..hell no
few months ago i would login into sl and feel like logged into something great,these days its like i got into a broken car falling apart and going at 200 miles per hour


My car is only going .002 miles per hour. :(
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Caliandris Pendragon
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07-25-2006 08:58
I expect pesky customers only get in the way anyway. No people means those bugs can wait while we work on the really interesting stuff.
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Selador Cellardoor
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07-25-2006 09:01
There are a few entries relating to customer service that I could add to that handbook.
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Michi Lumin
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07-25-2006 09:10
heh. I don't know how it affects development - I've been in rigid development teams for government applications, and the output was horrendous.

Unfortunately, most jobs -- in the US at least -- are a lot more like Office Space and not very much like Linden Lab.
FlipperPA Peregrine
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07-25-2006 09:14
From: Michi Lumin
Unfortunately, most jobs -- in the US at least -- are a lot more like Office Space and not very much like Linden Lab.

Don't forget your cover sheet on the TSP report or I'll nail ya with my Red Swingline Stapler! ;)
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Caliandris Pendragon
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07-25-2006 09:15
I don't think it shuld be a choice - employees happy and residents unhappy or vice versa. They could surely adjust their working model to ensure that things that are driving us all nuts get done?

I think that they are so used to people sounding off after an update, that they are not understanding how the lag, bugs, painfulness of the update is affecting people.

We don't have to chain the employees to the desk and abuse them to get the bugs fixed do we? Maybe we do, bugs aren't much fun.

As my SL partner said to me: well, the hard part / most time consuming part of dev work is testing and fixing bugs... if you don't do that at all, I'm pretty sure one could achieve unparalled levels of productivity lol.

Absolutely.
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Joannah Cramer
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07-25-2006 09:25
Hmm...
From: someone
Instead of being told what to do, you choose your own work by listening to your peers, making good strategic judgements, taking risks, and surfing a huge amount of information.

and
From: someone
We make mistakes. But the things we have gotten right are impressive: Linden Lab has, in 6 years, had almost zero employee turnover, and our productivity, in comparison to other similar sized teams, is off the charts.

i don't know, but it sounds extremely odd that with every single employee continually "taking risks" on individual level... there's been 'almost zero employee turnover' after 6 years? Either by some miracle they manage to only hire people that are magically able to make only the right decisions (which clearly isn't the case because "We make mistakes.";) ... or more likely, there isn't actual "risk taking" here because apparently one can mess things aplenty and they still get to keep their work... o.O
Khamon Fate
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07-25-2006 09:31
From: Joannah Cramer
i don't know, but it sounds extremely odd that with every single employee continually "taking risks" on individual level... there's been 'almost zero employee turnover' after 6 years? Either by some miracle they manage to only hire people that are magically able to make only the right decisions (which clearly isn't the case because "We make mistakes.";) ... or more likely, there isn't actual "risk taking" here because apparently one can mess things aplenty and they still get to keep their work... o.O
Translation: Make risky changes to the code on a weekly basis and don't worry about destroying the users' experiences.

We will only fire you if you break the law or play office politics, not for crashing the project into the ground.
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Luciftias Neurocam
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07-25-2006 09:47
From: Caliandris Pendragon

some forum posters are baying at the gates,


edited for accuracy
Kris Ritter
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07-25-2006 09:53
Michi Lumin
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07-25-2006 09:53
From: FlipperPA Peregrine
Don't forget your cover sheet on the TSP report or I'll nail ya with my Red Swingline Stapler! ;)


It's a TPS report, Flipper. Seems like you have a case of the Tuesdays. :eek:
Michi Lumin
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07-25-2006 09:55
From: Kris Ritter



that made me cry, and break things, both.

By the way, what the hell is 'frisch'?
Kris Ritter
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07-25-2006 09:58
From: Michi Lumin
that made me cry, and break things, both.


I have that effect on a lot of people. :confused:
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FlipperPA Peregrine
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07-25-2006 10:00
From: Michi Lumin
It's a TPS report, Flipper. Seems like you have a case of the Tuesdays. :eek:

Damn servers with their crashin'! :) I can never say that with a straight face because of TPSP... but that acronym ain't appropriate for human consumption.
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Inigo Chamerberlin
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07-25-2006 10:03
'Linden Lab has, in 6 years, had almost zero employee turnover'

Hardly surprising, give the total lack of employee accountability outlined it that article, I mean, who would chuck in a job where you could only get sacked for breaking the law or indulging in office politics?

Makes you wonder a bit about the ones who DID leave. Like, why? Is the pay that bad?
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07-25-2006 10:57
From: Luciftias Neurocam
edited for accuracy


AR'd FGJ

From: TOS, Section 4.1
- In addition to abiding at all times by the Community Standards, you agree that you shall not: ... (ii) impersonate any person or entity, including, but not limited to, a Linden Lab employee, or falsely state or otherwise misrepresent your affiliation with a person or entity; ...
Lo Jacobs
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07-25-2006 11:01
From: Kris Ritter
Awesomeness


I LOVE IT
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07-25-2006 11:07
From: Inigo Chamerberlin
'Linden Lab has, in 6 years, had almost zero employee turnover'

Hardly surprising, give the total lack of employee accountability outlined it that article, I mean, who would chuck in a job where you could only get sacked for breaking the law or indulging in office politics?

Makes you wonder a bit about the ones who DID leave. Like, why? Is the pay that bad?


Nova left to go back to school, she said. Haney left (under duress or not) because of the politics clause I'm guessing (LOLERCAUST!) Ruben is probably making more as a free agent. I assume the rest just got sick of dealing with the petty, vindictive residents.
Ricky Zamboni
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07-25-2006 11:13
From: Reality Control
I assume the rest just got sick of dealing with the petty, vindictive residents.

In other companies, they're called "clients". They are the ones who pay the bills, provide an audience for this piece of software, and for whom some level of quality service should be provided.

For the record, I'm all in favour of having some degree of autonomy in the workplace among people who are able to comport themselves in a professional manner. However, at some point *someone* has to be in charge and determine the important-yet-not-so-much-fun things that *need* to be done, and have the stones to make it happen.
Pallmor Bergman
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07-25-2006 12:00
From: Schwanson Schlegel
My car is only going .002 miles per hour. :(

Mine crashes all the time.

-Pall
FlipperPA Peregrine
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07-25-2006 13:00
From: Reality Control
Haney left (under duress or not) because of the politics clause

I don't think that's true - Haney's a great guy, and left to work for a Linden Lab board members non-profit organization, AFAIK.

Regards,

-Flip
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Inigo Chamerberlin
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07-25-2006 13:17
From: Reality Control
I assume the rest just got sick of dealing with the petty, vindictive residents.


Really? You could just as well assume that they left because they felt a need for some sense of direction in their working life.
Or you could assume they found, in time, that working on whatever they wanted to wasn't quite a cool and as much fun as they thought it could be?

You might also remember that to assume anything makes an ass out of you and me both...
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Khamon Fate
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07-25-2006 14:26
The more I think about this, the more insane it seems. Somebody tell me if I'm misinterpreting this.

I work at Linden Lab and decide that adding a flash feature to snapshotting is a fun project to pursue. All I have to do is "bake" the idea with a couple of coworkers over morning coffee, write the code in such a way that it grafts into the trunk without any readily apparent bugs, drop my weekly contribution chip into the counter, and spend the rest of the week sending lovegrams to fellow employees.

At no time will I be held accountable for the flash code causing any kind of problem for the users whether it be general disatisfaction with the feature or major crashing issues. I've done nothing illeagal or political; so my position and reputation are wholly intact.

Am I misinterpreting this? Does this environment really produce useful and profitable software? Are there any viable examples of it?
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