IP Banning Useless.

Personally, one of my biggest complaints with this whole thing is exactly what you've said here, Moopf. Only my question is, why was this decision done BEFORE we had the tools to deal with the potential consequences, *should* they arise?
They jumped the gun.
I understand perfectly thier reasoning for opening SL up like this, and I think they are good reasons.
However, I think they have done a crap implementation of it.

*shrug* anyway.
I still hold with what I said in an earlier thread: I sincerely hope that you are correct, and that the balance is to the good over time. the folks with feelings to be made known have done so, now all anyone can do it sit back and see what happens, I guess.

Nephilaine, you won't get any arguments from me about it being in the wrong order. My only reasoning is that sometimes in business decisions aren't made in the most logical or sensible order because business pressures won't allow that.

You think, say LL got wind of a competitor due to hit the market in a few months time, wouldn't you try to establish your platform as much as possible before then?

That's just one possibility and I'm not saying that's the reason, but I find something like that plausible.

Wow, now that I think about it, you may be closer to the mark than anyone has been so far.

If 5% of the population are griefers....

With 1000 residents, you've got 50 griefers.
With 100,000 residents, you've got 5000 griefers.
With 275,000 residents, you've got 13,750 griefers.

Yes, 5% is probably high, but I'm trying to show that it can multiply fast causing an illusion of a higher percentage of griefers, when the percentage didn't change, the population did.

Plus, who are you going to notice, the ten quiet newbs who just moved in to your sim and do nothing but rearrange furniture in their house or the one idiot who fires his guns and throws push-bombs at passer-bys?

i agree with moops, and i think we have a fairer discussion going on here than in the vote thread. i'm gonna hang out here instead for now :3 i'm glad we finally "tore down that wall" to the outside world to welcome immigrants i feel it's in the true spirit of what sl has always dreamt of being; a place for everyone, the good, the bad and the ugly! also i don't doubt there will be forthcomming tools for individuals to help deal.

at the risk of being burned alive, i also could really care less about the age thing. i wasn't any more of a troublemaker at 12 than i am now at 23, and the only abuse report i've ever filed in my almost 2 years here(and even before that in other virtual worlds) was one against someone in her 40's. granted on *average* there may be a maturity level difference, but in that case i think we should be banning based on apparent maturity rather than age. maybe an ethics test for signup instead of a credit card i could care less if a 12 year old sees some boobies, and i'm pretty sure, what with this being called the "adult grid" and all, that a parent wouldn't have much ground to stand on in suing over such anyway(hasn't stopped most porn sites with their "are you 18? you sure? ok here's some pics of girls having sex with their moms!" verification). though it would call into question the responsability of the parent for what their kids get into the internets.

as for the OP, as i said in the alt-vote-orgy thread, i don't believe IP banning is completely useless, as your average pushgun-orbiter-verbal-abusing asshole lacks the ingenuity to circumvent this, or would just take his assholery elsewhere rather than deal with setting up a new proxy or resetting his router. *most* grievers don't hold a long term grudge, and don't keep coming back to the same place in my experience. they don't have the attention span, and it's more fun to annoy different people each time. see what kind of reactions you get.

with or without validated reg, this place is growing, and in a few years, the sheer numbers would naturally mean an increase in scammers and other asshats. we may be moving that direction faster this way, but i think it's inevitable, and i don't really think it's necessarily a bad thing.

like how windows is a target for virus writers due to its marketshare, the big names, businesses and communities here in our little 3d internet should likewise expect to be a target of attacks. not that they should like it, but when you're on top, you can afford to pay some noob pocket change to hang out at your vendor and safeguard it from fake employees and invisiprims and the like. there's plenty of people out there resorting to escorting already due to lack of non-development related jobs :3 also agreed, more land admin tools would be nice.

You know what I find ironic/amusing about this whole thing ?

LL have re-introduced the message of the day stating that details WILL BE PASSED TO LAW ENFORCEMENT in case of such and such.


WHAT DETAILS ?

RL User name : Mickey Mouse
RL Address : Smallworld 23, Florida
RL Phone 555-555-555

Birthdate 01-01-1930

IP address ( please insert random number )



They are laughing all the way to another game to crash.

even given fake account details, if the law really wanted to find you, they could. you can make it hard, but not impossible to be tracked down by the authority. also i really doubt that all but a tiny fraction of grievers are technologically advanced enough to make this at all difficult.

I would think that e-mail verification to play would at the least be necessary. Right now you can use a fake email to sign up. I think THAT is completely ridiculous.

Whilst it does seem to be an oversight that you can use a blatantly fake email address to sign-up with, I do wonder what verifying the email (with a link that has to be clicked in a sign-up email for instance) would actually achieve.

As it's so easy to setup a web-based email account within a few seconds from any number of places online, what extra vertification does it actually give? It would seem to me to be so pointless, as it verifies nothing basically, as to be not worth doing.

Ahem - that's why I included the words 'it seems'.

Erm, the use of "it seems" doesn't preclude the fact that what you say seems to be happening, isn't what Daniel Linden says seems to be happening.

You know, sometimes, you really do get picky about language, don't you

It is better then nothing.

What I think would be ideal (because it is all I can think of atm)
- IP banning
- CC verifcation
- email verifcation

Voted because I'm sick of this crap. I've seen way to much greifing to NOT beleive it has increased.