Land Group Griefers

The land swoopers have reached a new low. Now they buy plots next to me and build grief walls, while the group name is plastered all over it.

They bought a plot of land in Kamba today, built the wall and are reselling at exactly the same price as they paid. This can only mean that they did not buy for profit, but for grief. You can view the wall from my land at Tenjin 20, 230. Judge for yourself.

While all this was going on, the swooper stole a 4098 plot of land from a nice married couple who were rearranging land and tier. One was selling land to the other for 1 dollar. well here is where underhandedness turns into griefing. After he bought the land from under them, he repriced it at 19000L and SET IT TO ME.

I was approached and implicated in this issue by the previous owners, to come to some agreement on returning the land. WTF? I TP'd there and explained that this person has been stealing land from unsuspecting residents for some time now and I had absolutely nothing to do with them other than to report them for continuous bad behavior. Then the two swoopers returned to laugh at their victims.

I spoke to a Linden, who recomended that we all post AR's, but that does nothing to return the land to victims and these thieves carry on ripping off others.

It only gets worse.

why did the couple who was selling it between themselves not set it to be bought by a specific person? its a simple way to make sure it doesnt happen and you have to click on the sale and confirm it before it goes for sale

Weedy is herself a sweeper and user of land scanners. Take the warning with a grain of salt.

Also note the multiple warnings when saling land..if someone doesn't pay attention, their fault.

It's a common error.

The most common scenario goes much like this.

Two people agree on a land deal. One person wished to give another person the land, for whatever reason. Nobody else in the sim, they don't realize that people monitor the list diligently and that P2P takes mere seconds.

So they set the land to "anyone" because that is the default setting. Thinking and expecting that the buyer standing there will immediately buy it. little do they know, that there is a band of thugs who are anxiously and persistently refreshing the list in order to prey upon this vulnerability. There are legitimate 1 dollar sales, (ie) motivation to tier down, but the bulk of the 1 dollar sales are between private parties.

It's a debatable topic whether the land tools are sufficient in this case. LL has included dialog confirmation boxes, so they are unsympathetic to those who make errors. The problem being, it happens repeatedly every day and residents are having their land taken, despite LL's official position in the matter. It's just not right.

She's still grouchy because she can't buy land for $1/m anymore she'll be moaning for a while yet. Either that or I'm stuck in a time loop because I sure seem to see alot of threads by her about this.

The land sale tools are fine. People need to pay attention. LL is right on this case...

Pay no heed to the personal attack from this troll.

I am not a land swooper as this liar is accusing me. Land scanners have been defunct since March.

I NEVER took land from anyone who didnt intend to sell it to me. You don't see Jonas attcking the real swoopers now do you?

Oh' I'm attacking one right now - you. NOw quit with the lies.

You have no right to tell me what I am angry or not angry about. I will continue to fight against the low life scammers who are ripping off unsuspecting residents.

Well I got news for you Jon, I am going nowhere. I seen alot of scoundrels come and go and I will outlive the likes of most of them now.

i dont care what anyone is or isnt..the tools in land sales are there for a reason if you want to sell land to a specific person then click that section and put in their name if not then its your own fault for being careless

it is why i check...double check..and triple check everything i do with items i sell and then i have someone i trust check ..double check and triple check them again to me its called being smart and being safe

Reported for personal attack.

Prove it. Show me where I took land from someone who didnt intend to sell to me. Truth is you can't.

So true,

Everytime Weedy gets out swooped, she comes and posts some complaint about Land barons here and on Answers. Totally hilarious.

I agree, but the fact remains that people are being swooped EVERY SINGLE DAY. Most land buyers are decent and respectable and would willingly return land to those who make mistakes. the fact remains however that there are predators who are making hundreds of thousands of Lindens from this this practice distressing numerous residents.

Thats not how I define swooper. A swooper uses scanners to swoop in on cheap land. Truth is you fit the definition.



Oh, and you made a personal attack first, swooper.

LOL do the two of you realize you sound as bad as my kids maybe someone should lock you two in a room together till you make up or at least quit batteling it out since it settles nothing here...everyone has their own style of business practices and everyone buying and or selling should watch out for themselves as best as possible

I wasn't telling YOU. You have very loudly and repetitively told the rest of us what your angry about. I certainly don't need to tell you.



Considering how long you've been going on about this that's not exactly news. :-/

Bullshit. It has nothing to do with any of that.

Today, a land swooper stole a nice couple's land. Then while the owners pleaded with them to return the land, he set the land to sell to me for 19000Lindens. I was not there when the land was swooped, yet the swooper implicated me in the crime by setting it to me. The previous owners IM'd me asking that I kindly return the land to them. I had nothing to do with any of it, yet they set it to me to bring grief. It's harrasment and griefing.....NOTHING ELSE.

Think that's nice?

Yet another lie. It is not possible to use a scripted object to scan and purchase cheap land.

Possbly dumb question.. what did you mean by "Land scanners have been defunct since march" ?

Uh huh. Then the reason you own a 16m2 plot of land with a hidden prim on it in every sim I know of is...?

I remember when public land went away, Calvin Millions sold most of his 16m2 plots all over the place for L$950 a piece. No reason you wouldn't do the same, and make quite a bit of profit, if you weren't still actively running some sort of scanners on them. Why else keep all these plots with their hidden prims? Maybe they aren't public land scanners, but they're obviously scanning for something...

Land scanning was eliminated in March. It was a resident run system which LL had very little involvement. I am not interested in selling my plots at an inflated price for profit. I own a global platform for data collection. That in and of itself has value to me and I am always looking for innovative ideas to best utilize the land. My scripting skills are good and I make every effort to operate lag-free objects. I do not spy, nor collect any personal information on any avatar or land owner. Not traffic, not avatar keys and/or landowners.

I never rez signs or griefing objects on the lands and I make every effort to trade lots when people IM, wishing to clean up borders or make land changes. In many cases, I permit neighbors to build over the land.

SL is not all about playing house or selling land. I believe that I have unique opportunities by owning the land I do and I intend to continue with my global projects.

Please elaborate.

If anyone wants to know what you can detect via LSL about land, they could do a lot worse than go here:
http://secondlife.com/badgeo/wakka.php?wakka=land
where all of the land functions are detailed. "Price" is not on there. In fact, there's not a lot you can find out at all; you can't even get the name of a parcel.

Sure.

Before March of this year, when a resident no longer wanted to maintain tier on land, they had the option of "releasing" or what was later known as "abandoning" land.

Upon release, the land would revert to "public land" status. This meant that it was available to be purchased by anyone for $1/sq meter. Land scanners used a NULL_KEY grid scan which triggered the scanner when no owner was found on a certain parcel of land. The device would determine the vector location of the land and InstantMessage the scanner owner with the co-ordinates. In March, Linden Lab decided to have abandoned land revert to Governor Linden as opposed to the general public. Scanners no longer detect "public land" because even the Governor has a key, therefore the scanner is rendered useless.

I protested this action for a number of reasons. The main reason being, yes it was profitable. I was not alone in the business however, and unless you were quick on the draw, others would reach and claim the land quicker than I could. Like wise, it was a resident run system which LL had very little involvement, as opposed to now, where staff are are unable to keep up with the backlog (often months) of abandoned land which no longer is absorbed into other's tier, but to LL's tier, which provides no revenue to the company.

It was no bed of roses and the returns were not huge, but amounted to little more than minimum wage. I find it reprehensible that others would accuse land scanners of greed and swooping, when all they are doing is trying to earn a living like anyone else. I returned hundreds of plots and often intermediated land disputes with residents (something that LL does not do). After verifying transaction records, examining tier contribution and observing objects on the land, it was usually a simple matter of returning the land to the parties who were affected by rogue officers, jilted lovers or other reasons.

Not sure I understand, why would these land grabbers set the land for sale to you?