Do you provide products to ppls alts?
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Ceera Murakami
Texture Artist / Builder
Join date: 9 Sep 2005
Posts: 7,750
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07-17-2006 12:14
My answer would be no. If they want a new copy of something to give to a new account, they can buy it. That is what I would do if I was in their situation.
My no-copy items are all transferrable. They can log on as the old account, drop the dress into the profile of the new account, log off, and it will be there for the new account. My non-transferrable items are all cheap stuff, and easily replaced.
Can't get to the old account? Why? Is it banned? Sorry, can't help you. Call Linden support about regaining access to your old account...
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eltee Statosky
Luskie
Join date: 23 Sep 2003
Posts: 1,258
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07-25-2006 13:43
From: Felix Uritsky On the other hand, if I sold avatars, I'd do this on a case by case basis. For example, when Luskwood first came out with their wolf avatar, I bought two, and essentially had two different characters with one name. I later decided to split the two into separate avs, so I talked to one of the head Luskwood folks, and she was very helpful in making the transfer to my new account. Definitely one of the best customer service experiences I've had in SL, but with the influx of alts, who knows if they'd do it again. We still do try and do this when we can, but we have to be pretty strict with the rules on it with the new mass alt influx... aka no 'hey that person whos long gone now was my alt and i think they bought x, y, and z (of which only one was even close) kinda things... we have a pretty regimented system, in order to minimize abuse
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Huns Valen
Don't PM me here.
Join date: 3 May 2003
Posts: 2,749
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07-25-2006 14:31
Will not even consider it, as there is no way to verify the original was deleted. Even if the person gave me their L/P (ignoring TOS), they could have simply renamed the original, or put it inside another object. It is the customer's responsibility to know the difference between copy/notrans and nocopy/trans, and to approach the seller before the sale if there are any questions like this.
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cinda Hoodoo
my 2cents worth
Join date: 30 Dec 2004
Posts: 951
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07-25-2006 14:32
Actually thats pretty nervy to ask in the first place, if youve got the need to have an alt, be prepared to fund it as well as your main. However while were on the subject, i have never understood the philosophy of selling items that are no transfer, i can understand no copy then its just one, and cant be replicated if given away. I have often bought things such as shoes at yard sales and have been so delighted, i have looked up the creator and gone over to purchase more items. Skins maybe, but it would be nice to give the outdated ones away to newbies and such, but thats something that the creators will have to work out, as to wether its good advertising, or just hope that keeping ppl from selling or giving away an item would increase sales otherwise. Something to think about  edited to add this : Just hit me that if you were leaving an old av to start another one, perhaps SL could make provisions to send your inventory to the new av, providing they have proof your deleting the old one, just an idea that could be most helpful. I am sure it would get out of hand quickly tho, and perhaps this option could be limited to a one time transfer on any given account.
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eltee Statosky
Luskie
Join date: 23 Sep 2003
Posts: 1,258
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07-25-2006 14:43
From: cinda Hoodoo However while were on the subject, i have never understood the philosophy of selling items that are no transfer, i can understand no copy then its just one, and cant be replicated if given away. The main reason an object would be set no transfer, is if there was a need for it to be sold as a copyable object. Aka if you are selling attachments, which have a nasty habit of corrupting or breaking on sim crossings, sometimes irreperably, if you sold it to the person copy ok, but no transfer, you can send them a new one, no questions asked. Also if you sell moddable objects, it allows you to send new copies to someone who corrupts/breaks the original, again, no questions asked. Also for clothing/skins/attachments often someone is rather desirous of making 'outfits' and if an object is set no copy, as soon as you make a new outfit with it, it removes it from the OLD outfit, so in order to support a customer's desire to have an object be available in many different avatar configurations/outfits, you need to sell it copyable, which unless you want it to be 'public domained' means you must also set no transfer. This especially applies to scripts, as one of the easiest mistakes to make is to set an objects permissions, but *FORGET* to set the scripts inside as well. I've been there, done that... Theres a reason almost all the 'glowstick' objects in secondlife have a very specific 12 step color pattern they roll through. but none other'n my official ones actually look like they are dropping the source shape (the script ended up open and copied extensively, the particle texture was not, and has not made the same trip to 'public' that the color script did)
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Mustelid Carnot
Made from quality ferrets
Join date: 7 Sep 2005
Posts: 106
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07-25-2006 14:55
One of my SL aquaintences had this very thing happen, a guy gets banned, buys their work, then IMs them demanding their money back since they already bought this work in the first place on their alt. Because they didn't have 4000L to spend (4000L, I should note, that they already spent on these objects). He kept whining and whining on how the builder was somehow in their debt since they had spent so much on their work before. And he wanted some other NEW avs transfered to him since it wasn't fair that he had to rebuy those as well.
Haha, sucks to be you. The worst part was they TRIED to be nice to this moron but he had to keep pushing it, he did it once, then he turned around and did it again, after they gave him a copy the first time.
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eltee Statosky
Luskie
Join date: 23 Sep 2003
Posts: 1,258
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07-25-2006 14:59
From: Mustelid Carnot Haha, sucks to be you. The worst part was they TRIED to be nice to this moron but he had to keep pushing it, he did it once, then he turned around and did it again, after they gave him a copy the first time. theres a reason you see 'do not feed the bears' signs, because once ya do, that one time, they're gonna come right back the next time they're hungry. Make a very very exacting policy, and do not break it. If conditions X, Y, and Z are met, you will get a replacement, if problem Q arises, all bets are off. and just go with it.
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Alex Fitzsimmons
Resu Deretsiger
Join date: 28 Dec 2004
Posts: 1,605
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07-25-2006 15:24
Everything I sell at least comes in a "no copy" version (and all of my swords also come in "no transfer" versions, while my statuettes are "no copy" only). I'm big on friendly customer service and friendliness in general, but even if it really is an alt, come on! "Give my alt a freebie plz?" I would refuse this request.
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Burke Prefect
Cafe Owner, Superhero
Join date: 29 Oct 2004
Posts: 2,785
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07-25-2006 15:26
Been asked twice. Both people said they were previously banned. Um... NO!!!!
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Angelique LaFollette
Registered User
Join date: 17 Jun 2004
Posts: 1,595
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07-26-2006 01:21
If it Isn't Transferable, Too Bad, Buy a New One.
Angel
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Jakkal Dingo
Equal Opp. Offender
Join date: 16 Feb 2005
Posts: 283
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07-26-2006 03:17
From: someone One of my SL aquaintences had this very thing happen, a guy gets banned, buys their work, then IMs them demanding their money back since they already bought this work in the first place on their alt. Yep, that was me. Er, I mean, I was the shopkeep in question. My reaction to him was "If you needed the money why'd you buy $4k in avatars, stupid?" What happened originally was, the guy bought an avatar twice that he already had on his account, and I sent him his money back (Since I'll give copies to people for free of avatars they already bought. There's no point paying for the same thing twice, for that account). Well apparently he took that to mean "I'll give him these avatars to whatever accounts he wants." The problem is, he claimed this alt was his, after he was talking to me on someone else's account (That he admitted was someone else's account). Can I trust that? No way. I get hit about once every couple of days. I got hit earlier tonight. People keep asking me to give avs to their alts. The answer is no. The avatars are copiable because shit happens, stuff gets moved, stuff breaks, they all can get copies of them. I'll send someone a copy of an avatar they bought that they might accidentally delete. I've done in the past and I'll continue doing it. But For an alt? Are you nuts? Do you have any idea how much weight that's putting on the shoulders of the seller? There's /no way/ to prove the alt is the person in question, and with the new registration policy, it's way worse than it used to be. And it's not like people are spending thousands of RL dollars to rebuy the stuff they had with their main (or sometimes other alts). Hell, I could get most of the stuff in my inventory for about $20USD, and I thought it was worth it, I totally would put the money in Lindex and just go rebuy that stuff. It's just not worth the hassle.
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Wendel Gascoigne
Registered User
Join date: 19 May 2005
Posts: 226
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07-26-2006 04:00
From: Nyx Divine I wouldn't even consider asking. And were I a designer I'd say nay. Agreed. I have alts. And if my main uses a product I like, I buy it again for my alts. Simple. And, if I designed things, the same rule would apply to others. Wendel
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