boycott cristiano group?
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Marilyn Murphy
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12-29-2005 06:39
in checking a persons profile, (i do this often when meeting someone new) ((ok i do it often when meeting anyone)) i discovered a group exists called boycott cristiano midnight. how interesting.
is this a tos violation? apparently since the impeach bush sign guy can do what he does and get away with it, its no holds barred, anything goes sl these days.
what will be amusing is to learn that naming a group to negatively affect an avatar is fine, but putting that avatars name in the heading of this thread will get me chastised or something.
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Adam Zaius
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12-29-2005 06:46
Chances are it's a joke (I know of a few such groups), if it's not, I'd let Cristiano know, and he can report as he feels is nessecary. -Adam
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Chris Wilde
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12-29-2005 06:48
Is it open enrollment?
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Marilyn Murphy
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12-29-2005 06:49
well, on reading its charter i don't get the joke i guess.
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Pol Tabla
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12-29-2005 06:55
Why would it be a TOS violation? I mean, I personally think Cristiano is a fine fellow, but why can't someone form a group to boycott someone in-world?
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Chris Wilde
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12-29-2005 06:55
How about some Impeach Cristiano signs?
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Infinite Somme
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12-29-2005 06:57
From: Pol Tabla Why would it be a TOS violation? I mean, I personally think Cristiano is a fine fellow, but why can't someone form a group to boycott someone in-world? I agree with this. Anyone should be allowed to publicly boycott an individual, a group, or business.
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Marilyn Murphy
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12-29-2005 07:04
ahhh. interesting this discussion really.
it seems to me. if your going to make it wrong to use a avatars name in the forums. then the same sort of thing would apply in sl. i have no solomonic vision here, just a general feeling of correct handling of this sort of issue.
perhaps you can put up boycott cristiano signs in sl. perhaps it does not violate the tos. it just seems incorrect to me. maybe i am being to sensitive.
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Infinite Somme
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12-29-2005 07:07
From: Marilyn Murphy perhaps it does not violate the tos. it just seems incorrect to me. maybe i am being to sensitive. Yup. I did a read through the TOS and I don't see anything in there about not being able to publicly boycott people by name in SL. I think it is fair game.
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Pol Tabla
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12-29-2005 07:08
From: Marilyn Murphy it seems to me. if your going to make it wrong to use a avatars name in the forums. then the same sort of thing would apply in sl. That's not the case. The forums have different rules than the grid.
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Chris Wilde
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12-29-2005 07:10
From: Pol Tabla That's not the case. The forums have different rules than the grid. Exactly. I couldnt start threads (and them be allowed to stay unlocked) with an Impeach Bush image in most of the forums, but I could do it in game. 
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Martin Magpie
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12-29-2005 07:19
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Lordfly Digeridoo
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12-29-2005 08:35
There was an anti-prokofy group out there for a while that was disbanded. So there's precedent.
Not that that matters much anymore.
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Biff Pendragon
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12-29-2005 08:52
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Gabe Lippmann
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12-29-2005 09:07
There is an anti-Bush Guy group out there as well.
Names should not be spoken aloud in SL (or written aloud, as the case may be). To voice an AVs name is a slight of the highest order, no matter the reason for said utterance.
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Aimee Weber
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12-29-2005 09:07
From: Lordfly Digeridoo There was an anti-prokofy group out there for a while that was disbanded. So there's precedent. Well by reading the description of this group, it doesn't appear to be a joke. If an anti-Prokofy group was indeed disbanded by the Lindens I hope an anti-Cristiano group isn't given special treatment.
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Cory Edo
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12-29-2005 09:24
If everyone boycotts Cristiano Midnight, that just means there's more for me. Suckers.
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Ingrid Ingersoll
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12-29-2005 09:36
Hey if some group starts a boycott agaisnt you in second life, then you know you're doing something right. The rest of us can only aspire.
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Pol Tabla
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12-29-2005 09:46
From: Lordfly Digeridoo There was an anti-prokofy group out there for a while that was disbanded. So there's precedent. Really? I hadn't heard that. Was there an incident or incidents leading up to the LL action beyond the simple fact of the group existing? From: Aimee Weber Well by reading the description of this group, it doesn't appear to be a joke. If an anti-Prokofy group was indeed disbanded by the Lindens I hope an anti-Cristiano group isn't given special treatment. I think at least anyone who runs a business in SL should be fair game for organized action and opinion, and I'd prefer if anyone could be criticized in such a manner. For instance, if someone wants to slag me because of my freebie television, more power to 'em. Obviously, there should be limits...libel, slander, stalking, obscenity, etc. But people should have the right to their opinions, and to organize based on those opinions. God I hate Ingrid. Who's with me?!?!
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Gabe Lippmann
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12-29-2005 10:00
From: Ingrid Ingersoll Hey if some group starts a boycott agaisnt you in second life, then you know you're doing something right. The rest of us can only aspire. Right on. I have dreams and aspirations. If I keep working, I know that someday I will be universally reviled.
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Zippity Neutra
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12-29-2005 10:03
From: Gabe Lippmann To voice an AVs name is a slight of the highest order, no matter the reason for said utterance. No no, it's much worse than that -- using an av's name is an infringement of their intellectual property rights! L$10 should be deducted from your account whenever you use somebody's name, anywhere, even if spoken in RL! The Lab should coordinate a revenue sharing agreement with the NSA so they can levy this tax on all telephone conversations... 
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Frans Charming
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12-29-2005 10:08
I have read the charter, it doesn't seem like a joke, but i wouldn't worry to much about it either. The founder just doesn't agree with a opinion Cristiano has. From: The Charter Us basic account holder's are worthless. Why? Becuase Cris says so. Read the link below. I call a full out boycott on Cris for calling the very people who keep him in business, worhtless. If this is how he feel's about us, then this is what we should do to him! Let him feel how worthless we are when he start's losing money. /108/ae/78329/1.html
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Aimee Weber
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12-29-2005 10:09
From: Pol Tabla Really? I hadn't heard that. Was there an incident or incidents leading up to the LL action beyond the simple fact of the group existing?
I think at least anyone who runs a business in SL should be fair game for organized action and opinion, and I'd prefer if anyone could be criticized in such a manner. For instance, if someone wants to slag me because of my freebie television, more power to 'em.
Obviously, there should be limits...libel, slander, stalking, obscenity, etc. But people should have the right to their opinions, and to organize based on those opinions.
God I hate Ingrid. Who's with me?!?! I agree with all of this (except hating Ingrid. I want to marry that woman!) My only fear is if some people get a pass on diciplinary matters (for whatever reason.) Assuming Lordfly is correct, disbanding opposing groups of one person while permitting them against another is the kind of favoritism that doesn't tend to fly with SL users. It would be as bad as Kenny Linden trying to help the person he should be kicking. 
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12-29-2005 10:31
From: Marilyn Murphy it seems to me. if your going to make it wrong to use a avatars name in the forums. then the same sort of thing would apply in sl. That sort of policy would make conversations about things other than the weather challenging.
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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12-29-2005 10:40
I am so tired of people saying we can't name people here. We can!
Starax Statosky! Eggy Lippman! Olympia Rebus! Ulrika Zugzwang! MaliciousVirus Hartunian!
Cover Page! Dork Dangle! dumb Grasshopper! Stupid Magpie!
See? I just named some names.
Why, we even have a special sub forum for naming names, the Notices and Well Wishes forum.
Just look there and you find thread after thread after thread with name after name after name in it. Happy Birthday Starax, Happy RL Birthday Olympia Rebus, why you could put one there that said Happy Birthday Stupid or Merry Christmas you dumb Grasshopper and there would not be any cause for complaint.
Boycotting a person's group is a legitimate form of activity, urging people to not join a group is within the bounds of the rules.
The General forum here is for discussion of matters involving Second Life in general that don't fit in the special purpose forums, Design, Building, Scripting Tips, Animation, Land and Economy, Second Life Political Science, Scripting Library, etc.
The Community Standards states "The goals of the Community Standards are simple: treat each other with respect and without harassment..."
Just keep that one part of the rules in mind and do a good job of abiding by it and you won't have any problem staying out of trouble or running afoul of the forum moderator or the abuse staff.
The Forum Guidelines states: "Linden Lab provides these forums in the belief that promoting discourse and the sharing of ideas leads to a stronger, better informed community."
Make comments directed towards producing a stronger, better informed community instead of engaging in armchair psychoanalysis of those you disagree with, or acting as if this was the Usenet alt.flame newsgroup where you get points for being rude and hateful, or using this a a platform to promote your real world political and economic views in a place intended for discussion of a software and networking product, or carrying out prolonged attacks on specific individuals, and you won't ever have any trouble with forum disciplinary actions.
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