Teen and Adult grids

Funny.... I know adults who do the same.

Well I just want to know what other people think about it.

So do I. I don't find them to be very funny, though. "Quite typical behavior for a kid" is not an absolute. The legal limits are based on typical behavior not the exception to the rule. I know people who can handle liquor better and worse than others as well. Their personal reaction and sensitivity to alcohol doesn't change the legal limits at which they can be charged with a DUI.

You know, I go to a few concert venues which have shows that are "all ages" as well as "18 and over". I'm not sure what the criteria is; either way they serve alcohol which you need to show id and get a wristband to have no matter how obvious you appear to be of age. Some kids accept the limits and don't go if it's not all ages. Others ignore the requirements and try to sneak in one way or another. The end result is that the venue is going to be held accountable and to be put at risk , pay fines and possibly lose their license if they don't take steps to ensure that underage people aren't either allowed in or served alcohol.

I think you can build on the teen grid and meet good people there, too. To be honest, a lot of people were annoyed that LL spent time creating it instead of working on the main grid. That you can't hang out with adults in every situation you'd like to is just a part of life and these restrictions will be lifted before you know it.

two words.. hot chocolate.

then you need to be at teen.secondlife.com, not here.

Bye.

Lf

Lordfly I haven't said my age nor saying that I am under 18 or not (I leave most personal info to myself or some of my friends that can take it 'maturely'), I am found out how other people are thinking about it.. within Secondlife that for the lindens (Linden Labs Staff) to choose were I am, not you..

Only in the US do we legally require the segregation of adults and teenagers for the "protection of our children" in our communities, while still making our children's idols sex symbols like Brittany, and devlop stores like La Senza Girl (lingerie for teenagers)...

Our hipocracy knows no bounds. Cover our asses with laws, but allow (and encourage) the media to further the sexuality of our children.

No, they just buy used panties of schoolgirls from vending machines, overseas.

All human societies have messed up elements; one of the things that comes with the territory of being human.

You have actually said a great deal.

Well I for one know that teenagers today deal with many more adult issues than some forum pollyanas would beleive. Teens are exposed at early ages to almost the full range of adult society, and even in the early 80's, we had sex, drank, worried about drug addiction and aids while barely in Highschool. Exposure to the "adult" world has only incresed since then. Thus you will never here from me any of the sorry platitudes usually offered about "protecting teens." If you want to protect your kids, educate them, and teach them to think critically and responsibly and trust them to make the right decisions. They will make mistakes, they will do things they should not, and they will suffere from errors in judgement. Adults do it too, and part of life is learning from mistakes. Hopefully we give kinds enough education and moral fibre to minimize the damage from an error in judgement.

That being said, I oppose the integration of the teen grid, because i don't want to have to worry about whether the people I talk to are of age, and think about vetting my conversations or activites to suit them. I don't do much besides shop in PG areas, and as policy sits now, I don't have to think about things like that. Yes it may be hypocritical of america to have laws about such stuff, but those laws will get you jail time. It s just easier to remove the possibility from the equation.

Why do people want to get old faster? I used to be 16 going on 35... and now that I AM 35, I wish I had not missed out on some of the kid things that I did miss out on (thank goodness I didn't have children til I was 30). I will say one thing - getting older is no damn picnic. Oh well... youth wasted on the young, etc.

You know, to hear some people talk, no one under the age of 18 ever had sex until recently. Yes, there is a big difference today vs. 50 years ago, kids were having sex - it just wasn't talked about. If a young girl got pregnant, she was either shipped off to "stay with relatives" and came back with a new little "brother or sister" or the baby was put up for adoption.

In our society, as much as I hate saying this, common decency does not really seem to matter any more. We have banned Bugs Bunny as "too violent"... but seem to have no problem with the newer cartoons with human characters beating each other up and cartoons like Bratz (wtf is up with those mini-hoochies anyway?). I am thankful I don't have a daughter to expose to this crap, but what do I tell my sons? Girls are supposed to be hoochies? I don't think so.

UGH this whole thing makes me sick. I know someone who is 38 years old and will be in prison for the next 20 years because he had sex with a 12-year-old - and she got pregnant to boot. WTF is wrong with people??? We are sexualizing our children for what reason? Yes I do prefer sex to violence any day - for people who can handle it. Children cannot, especially today. They are less prepared for it thanks to the cavalier way our society portrays it. I don't care how "mature" they act. I was a very mature 15 year old. I wasn't having sex, though. I was mature enough to know I wasn't ready for it. I also knew if I got pregnant, I would have a very hard life to lead (not that it's easy now, I could not imagine being in my current situation as a teenager).

OK, enough rambling - I know I've gotten way off topic, but it bears saying and this did seem to be the appropriate place to say it. Thank you and have a nice day

So they can collect Social Security??



I was ready for it... just couldnt get it.
Chicks just didnt dig the D&D, comic book collecting kinda guy.

Oh, some chicks dig it. I was lucky enough to find one.

So, it is perhaps cosmicly ironic that I turned out gay.

I think the problem is that we chicks who like such things spend most of high school hiding.

I recently invited several friends onto SL.

One of them isnt 18 for a month.

She was put onto the teen grid without even being told there was such a thing.

It took us ages to work out why we couldnt talk to our friend.

Now she is stuck on the teen grid away from all her friends who are all talking about all the perfectly PG fun that they are all having on the main grid.

She is perfectly mature, and feels singled out and lonely stuck by herself. She doesnt know if she will be moved to the main grid on her birthday, so she doenst even want to make friends there that she might lose.

She is likely to leave SL and probably not come back due to the fact that she is felling so excluded.

Conversly. I was trying to enjoy a very classy and adult night at a good club last night, with a great DJ my friend would have loved, when a guy dressed as the lead character in the game halo arrived and started spamming stupid samples. He cant have been more than 1o years old. Mentally at least.

I understand that there may be legal reasons to their decision, but then how did the main grid exist before the teen grid was activated?

Surely at least a choice is in order. A credit card is needed for Id, why not a system where the adult who owns the card agrees to be a guide for the teenager who they are getting the account for?

BTW the age of consent here is 16. My friend drinks, can drive a car, and is sexualy active. So should she really be in with a bunch of kids?

This is all so many many cans of refriend beans, but let's see if I can muster up a quick summary:

There is a Teen grid because a mixed grid would put LL in legal hot water and open to lawsuits a-plenty.

From the statement above, the following answers are plain.




LL is required by law to separate the teens from the adults. If she feels excluded, then she needs to blame the lawmakers, not LL.




LL is required by law, which makes the distinction based on one's age, not their maturity. Immature idiots are generally fine, as long as they're over 18.



It didn't, at least for teens. Those who were under 18 and got caught were tossed out, with nowhere to go at all.




Because LL is bound by the word of law, which doesn't assign responbility of the welfare of the teen to their parents. Granted, I agree that that's a dumb concept, but unfortunately it's a law that LL has to comply with.



What she does and what the age of consent is there is really irrelevant, as it's the law in California/USA that applies to LL's actions. To LL, the line in the sand is 18.


Whether it's right or wrong, whether it makes sense or not, that's all irrelevant. The reason LL has the two grids is because they do so to protect themselves legally. Otherwise, they would be with lawyers the way vultures are with a dead rabbit. In other words - no grid for anyone.


- Newfie

Ok, fair enough.

But out of curiosity, are people moved from the teen grid after they are 18?

Is it illegal for adults to be on the teen grid?

Yes to the first.

Absolutely yes to the second. Its one of the biggest no-nos you can do in LL's eyes.

what happens if you've been on Main SL for more than a month? do you get your items taken or something before you go to Teen SL? cuz i know a guy, he's nervous about goin to Teen SL.

But personally, i've got my fair share of idiots to contend with in main SL.

I do not know what they do to your inventory - if it's confiscated because there might be genitalia and other "adult" items, or if it's just put on "hold" until the teen becomes 18. This looks like a job for Live Helper (or LL's customer service )!

First let me say Ethen this isn't personal, I can understand why you enjoy SL. I enjoy it myself and I think its great that people of all ages have the opportunity to experience the freedoms of a place like this.... However I happen to agree with the seperate grid policy as I am the parent of a teenager and can see the numerous risks involved in allowing teenagers to associate with adults in an adult environment. I think the teen grid is a perfectly reasonable alternative.
Let me put it to you this way.... You enjoy second life, you wouldn't want it to suddenly disapear as a result of lengthy expensive legal battles. The thing that will cause that to happen is teenagers being exposed to adult material and someone's parent finding out about it. Next thing you know the authorities are contacted and everyone is calling their lawyers and a day later second life is gone. By seperating teenagers to their own grid (a perfectly similar and just as enjoyable grid as I understand it) LL prevents such a mess from occuring, the teens get to move over to the adult grid when they reach 18 while in the meantime they meet people and make friends their own age and everyone is happy and safe.
I can tell simply by the way you speak Ethen you are clearly under 18 and for your own sake and the sake of SL I do hope a Linden reads this and decides to do a little digging, even though it isn't personal... you do belong in the teen grid as does every other teen hiding in the adult grid right now.
While I haven't seen it, my understanding is that the teen grid is really not so different from the adult grid just without all the sexual content. So unless it is the sexual content someone is after, where is the problem?
So since it doesn't sound like that's what you're here for and I would never assume it is.... you just might be surprised going over to the teen grid and finding out you actually like it just as much. You might even be missing out on getting to know some interesting people your own age from all over the world. While the idea of moving to the teen grid might bother you because you think you're missing out on something here... who knows what you might right now be missing out on over there.

no that was my mistake about spelling it, but since you give me the right spelling I can change it..

it was made for me at the time as a gift so it is MY account.. it was meant for me and set for me, so i am not using someone else's account it is my own.. so that I am not againist the TOS.. and only my close friends know my age and I will never state it in the forums

so your not going to get an answer for "And are you 18 or over here"


If you have nothing to hide and of legal age then there is no problem. People who do hide something tend to be guilty of something...lol Then again benefit of a doubt, so I won't ask anymore. ^^;; Heck I'm turning 25 in a two days (although in SL and RL I pretend to be 21...shhhhhh).

Well I won't repeat any of the good points that were already mentioned, but it's a good thing really to have a separate grids for minors and adults. The last thing we all need to hear is some 40 something guy cybering a 15 something girl pretending to be an adult working as an escort in SL, parent finding out, shit hits fan, SL goes down. Or as simple as a 'game that promote's porn/prostitution enflames Parents and sues LL" hit the pages. ^^; nobody wants that really and for me I'm thankful that there's a place were the content will be at least monitored and is minor friendly.

Oh and welcome to my country. Why did you move here though? Nothing much to see in my third world hovel except malls and more malls. And maybe a chopped limb or two. o_o

Mew

I've talked to you online Ethan, and as far as I'm concerned, you're 18. I may be wrong, I may be right. But so far I haven't seen anything to make me think otherwise.

I'm curious about the Teen Grid itself. What's it like? What's it look like? Are there shops run by residents? An over abundance of Tringo/Cassinos/Bush Signs?

Someone post pics of this place!!! I am SO curious!! Besides, I with some minors and they want to know more.