Teen and Adult grids

Why do we need two diffirent Worlds (Grids) with the same diffirent age groups.. Yea I know people that can be 14 years old but they act mature and show respect like any other adult and I have seen 18+ act Immature and show no respect for others around :/.. I seriously like being around diffirent age groups then Just one.. Heck I sometimes I to see the Teen gird sometimes because I have never been there...

Hey there must be some 'Resdents' that can't get along with the same age group and have to make them selfs older or younger... I got 140+ friends that hang out on the Adult grid if I or a friend was shoot into the Teen gird because of False age or something.. and they are my close friend and were fine in the Adult gird I know my friend/ Myself would like that person back.. its hard to find a good friend in the same age group

I can work with Teens or Adults, I Just don't like the fact that we have two girds stopping seeing both age groups :/ yea I know there is Adult themes and stuff thought Teens should know what they should or shouldn't be around or grow on..

Why...

Legal reasons

wait does apply in any country and state?

And keep it this way, please

My own rule in MMORPGs and in SL now say that you shouldn't trust anyone under 16 years old. While there are teens with maturity, they are the exception, not the rule.

Yea I think the line should be 16+ then 18+ because 16+ Teens are more mature and have 'some knowlage' and have more common sense >.>

You know, I can sympathise with the plight of certain teens. When I first started Everquest, way back at launch, I was 17... I think, it's been a while, I mighta been 16

I eventually came to lead a pretty respected and respectable guild... We weren't THE biggest on the server, but we were pretty good size, and fairly well known... We held events, which was kinda rare at the time... dueling contests and trivia contests and the like. I didn't found the guild, but when the leader early on (Ardath, if your out there, curse your cowardly heart for a thousand generations) up and vanished, I was the only one who took charge.

Ages never came up for the longest time, and I was respected as guild leader. Then somehow ages came up, and it was revealed that I was a teenager leading a guild of mostly 20-30somethings. Then I started to have issues with respect. Not from the "core" of the guild, the people who had known me for (at that point) a year or so, but from the newer members. Just because I was a 'kid' compared to them, regardless of if I was qualified.

However.

I can definetly understand why SL is a different animal. I said I can sympathise with the teens, but I don't disagree with the way the current setup is.

Take Respect form Age, I been A Leader in many Groups and Games when I was 13- to now when my age had to come up I said the truth i normally get ok. nice or my fav. cool.. I normally had about groups of 70-100... but i had alot of problems with 'Older' people coming in and making me look bad for being younger and taking some members.. sometimes they come back to join and stay.. or my group dies because it just started or a big Co-Leader problem comes up :/.. there is too many movies with the master being older than the student >.>, what if the tables turned and the master was very very young but very very skilled and the student thinks he can do better because he is older...

I don't think respect on the part of the teenagers (or lack thereof) has anything to do with it. There's just too much age inappropriate stuff in SL. Besides, what's the rush? They will be adults when they're adults, no sooner, no later


Leilany

Pretty much what he said.

Personally, I'm all for keeping the grids seperate. Sure, *some* teens act more mature and *some* adults act like spoiled brats, but for the most part, I'm happy that I can hang out without having to worry about younger players annoying me.

The adult grid has a lot of "adult" material. Its not a matter of Respect, but of exposing minors to pornography and sexually charged situations. Now, i know the age of consent in the Phillipines is something ridiculously low, !2 or somesuch, but those local laws do not apply in SL as its in the states, and rightly so.

If local laws were what were used this would be an absolute disaster. Imagine someone in SL living in the states has a knock at the door from the FBI because 3 nights ago, the hot twentysomething escort they had fun with turns out to be a 13 yr old boy from Manilla.

Shit like that would close down SL quicker than you could bat an eye.

It applies in California. Specifically, the Child Online Protection Act. While provisions of it are currently in dispute in the courts, it's pretty much a legal requirement to verify age if there's the slightest chance of "mature" material.

Which isn't to say there aren't teens who lie, of course, but as the teen grid has been around a bit now, LL isn't necessarily as lenient as they have been in the past if a teen is found out.

I have lived in the phillppness for 2-3 months now.. yea 15 or younger shouldn't be 'exposed' to adult material and I dunno the min. age requirement is for look at adult contect and I don't really care cuz I know I am above the limit this account was made for me by a friend of mine... me I normally just don't care for most of the adult material in the adult grid anyway... I just be with friends or build/scirpt something.. get better and smarter as I go...

Not many online games/environments do this though. Take World of Warcraft... Blizzard dont seporate children from adults. The world is mostly children, but adults play it all the time. I can see the reason why Linden Lab does this, but it still makes me wander. It just makes more rules for them to inforce really. More attention they have to place on the grids.

The point is, if there were only one grid it would probably have to be entirely "PG" like almost every other online game out there. You can't be sure if that avatar over there is 12 years old or not. Laws regarding children and pornography are typically very strict and severe as well.

World of Warcraft doesn't explicitly have porn. (Of course, I've certainly seen my share of people cybering... but SL, being more in the way of a service provider than a game, and explicitly making Mature vs. "PG" sims, admits outright that things might get steamy.)

I'm just curious.. but are the Philippine Islands spelled differently when living there?
And are you 18 or over?

And did you know that using someone else's account is against the TOS?

Personally, I'd prefer it if we had an over-25 grid. But that's just me.

Seriously, you can't exactly quantify a person's emotional age by their chronological age. As its been stated before, there are 16 year olds with the maturity of a 25 year old, and 40 year olds with the maturity of a 10 year old.

However, people that are mature beyond their years, or immature for their age - are an anomoly. For the most part, if you're going to draw the line somewhere between "Teen" and "Adult" - that line falls somewhere betwen 18-21 for most people. Not legally, but emotionally.

If you're an on-par-matured teen, I'd think it would be a buzzkill to hang with a bunch of old farts. And likewise, its equally lame when I'm hanging around someone who is emotionally 13.

Noooooo!!!1 j00 r agesecuting meh! j00 h8 m3 becas i az furr dunt u!?!!!

... oh, wait.

I form my opinion based on how people present themselves, not on age, gender, etc. Since the forums are text based, I judge a poster on ideas, style, and reasonably readable English. The OP's assertions could use some improvement in the "reasonably readable" catagory.

And yes, the reason for the 18+ grid is U.S. law. That's not going to change.

I understand, but its impossible to inforce this when people lie about their ages all the time. I have cought many people in Sl doing it but i just ignored it. I personally dont care. One incident went like this.

Other Person: Hi i need a avatar can you lend me some money?
Me: uh sure. how much?
Other Person: 1000
Me: eep. well i cant give you that much but i can give you part of that.
Me: Why dont you buy some linden from lindex?
Other Person: I dont have a way to buy it.
Me: then how did you get a SL account?
Other Person: I borrowed my dads credit card.

That alone is enough to tell me their age. But in another case someone actually told me they will turn 18 next week. I told them "well be carefull this week. or you might not be here next week. ".

Your lucky i just turned 25 in november. hehe

no that was my mistake about spelling it, but since you give me the right spelling I can change it..


it was made for me at the time as a gift so it is MY account.. it was meant for me and set for me, so i am not using someone else's account it is my own.. so that I am not againist the TOS.. and only my close friends know my age and I will never state it in the forums

so your not going to get an answer for "And are you 18 or over here"

Part of being mature is accepting no for an answer. You asked a question, you're informed of the reasons for the restrictions, and basically decide it's okay for you to not have to follow the rules. Rationalizing away one's behavior and making excuses for bending the rules is immature and quite typical behavior for a kid.