Question regarding name change/account merge

I hereby dub Schawnson Schlegel as "Dirt McGurt". I will pay $L139,000 kthxbai

You are now STFU Edo.

key phrase here being "supposed to be". Ulrika's comment seems to indicate ummm... not so much

Shit, just now? You're late to the party, mister

No I know, I've seen it as well in data that I have as well, but there's no way of telling if that key is an on-going one to many relationship, or just that at some point the name associated with that key has changed. I haven't seen multiple names using the same key continually be used, is what I'm saying, but then that would be a difficult thing to trap as an individual, and none of the 3rd party data (like Ulrika's) has any date/time information on when the key/name combination was last used.

Totally confused in ways LLabs works at times. One day its out of the questen for a change in rules then POW!!!!!!!!!!!! its the 180 turnaround......for that same rule

LOL

This is true.

~Ulrika~

You're not confused. That's how it works. Royal court politics have always worked that way.

Torley Torgeson took some folks out with gravity guns and kidnapped Liaisons and other Lindens using a pushobject weapon.

In the revised history version, it would appear that there is no reason not to pushgun folks, since a Linden organized an attack party to do precisely that, it is not only cool, it is part of the path that leads to Lindenization.

I like my gravity gun, but I would never use it on unwilling victims, much less organize a hunting party. Guess I'm just not cut out to be a Linden.

Shooting Lindens with snowballs has more action anyway.

In more then one way
Unreal!

Actually I'm surprised LL didn't do the obvious and just set up a Torley Linden alt account for Torly Torgeson. That would keep the Torley 'LL-employee' and Torley' free spirit' in separate boxes. So LL has let the cat out of the bag and I want to change my SL last name so that my SL name is the same as my SL stage-name / nom-de-plume.

I don't understand why anybody would ever consider that the inability to change our own names would be due to a technical limitation rather than due to a policy.

When I first registered this account I did it as a test to verify that a security hole I suspected in the registration system would allow me to register a retired surname. It did and I was born Ushuaia Omega.

I of course reported the bug and it was fixed almost immediately, but the Lindens later required me to choose a different last name. It took them just a few minutes to make the change and I experienced no difficulties.

Obviously the forums user database is not completely integrated with the rest of Second Life, but I understand why Torley was afforded the luxury of having his forum account updated as well.



I noticed this also directly after my name change. Basically this is caused by your old name/key pair being cached in other residents' name.cache file. Apparently the name.cache is used by some portions of the client (owner/creator info in the edit window) and not by others (the name tag over your head). Simply clearing your cache will fix this immediately. Otherwise the cache entry will expire after a certain amount of time.

neato.

There are SQL statements which can easily take care of this. On the grounds of indentity though this is what I was thinking of...

- Land barons or even officers of group be informed of identity change within group. Concerned about privacy? Well, when you change your name and people start seeing that change in the group you best let them someone know or they will get you kicked out. Just a matter of taking care of your business being in groups like this. Being in a group you just have to understand the outcome of having your identity changed. There really is no privacy then cause someone will know about it one way or another and then it starts spreading like fire.

- As far as objects goes if you get your name changed and it still shows up as the old name well that just a simple cache issue. Eventually it will fix itself. But my concern is what if someone did not clear their cache and they decide to take copies of that so called persons objects that has their old identity? I think as long as the unique ID is in place this should not be a huge concern.

- Access/Ban lists. These should be updated accordingly and being a part of the SL functionality they should work off UUIDs I presume. Now I am not sure if these scripted ejectors (people own) can work off of UUIDs but if not then the owners are responsible for updating their own lists. If you get griefed from someone who changed identity, that is your own business and you are responsible for updating accordingly. Don't be such a wuss about it.

- Griefing/Suspicion/Conspiracy. Like that doesn't happen already? Come on...

If a name change is not that simple and it requires going thru Terrabytes of data to update well I don't know what to tell you. Perhaps rethinking the database structure? Ouch, maybe not...

I love the whole idea of the name change though. I would pay a fee for it if needed.

EDIT: This response is directed towards the community for feedback. Nothing towards LL.

If they were able to change my first name for me, I would have never ever switch my avatar from MrsJakal Suavage to MJ Hathor. I would have just been MJ Suavage. I miss my Suavage last name, it was the one I was born in SL with. I would have even paid to have this done.

MJ

O, I did ask about this! But upon delving further, it didn't make a lot of sense. For example:

1. added confusion--there are already enough Torley variants as it stands
   
2. the paper-thin wall of saying "Hey I know who that is! What's the point in having an alt? They might as well have a Group Title that says "Torley Alt"! Ooops, more confusion.
   
3. I have always been particularly open about myself and while I respect privacy for those who want it, it just creates more work on the system if I am to encumber it with shameful redundancies
   
4. Torley Torgeson account would prolly not get used much and would sink into oblivion... isn't that more depressing than a transition into doing MORE?
   
5. the very tangible benefit of me being a hot-pink-and-neon-green guinea pig to test some of these theories in practice.
   

I don't believe Linden Lab wants to hide cats in bags, hehe. If this "changing names" thing is going to ahead for the Community, it, as Robin has mentioned several times earlier, is certainly good grounds for hashing out and deep, actual investigation. Which is exactly what's been happening as a lateral effect of me being Torley Linden now. Which has led to this discussion on the SL Forums. Which is also exactly which is something I've talked about for a long time since coming to Second Life: CONNECTIONS. I love when improvements in one field will advance another, don't you?

I can be a LL free spirit. I'm not the first either.

Ooo man, what a trip!




Yup! I noticed this too. But then again, clearing cache on a regular basis does an avatar good.

I know what ya mean, MJ! Awwws. I wanted to have last name of "Wong" as a change too. Actually, it's funny on two counts:

1. I initially disliked Torgeson a lot and then came to appreciate it a great deal
   
2. I haven't found out who was the Linden who came up with that as a last name
   

Right now at present it's a transition phase for a lot of things. Re: name changes, the vibe I get is "Are we there yet?" and it's certainly a very popular thing to ask--that I've personally asked--for. So keep grinding out possibilities, suggesting easy ways to solve some of the trickier problems (accountability), and put all the good ideas out here on the table so every Resident who reads is aware.

In me having gone through this like socks in a dryer that DON'T get lost, in some small way, I hope it'll continue to encourage discussion like this thread for positive things that can be done. This is what I've always believed in.

(And someday I hope we'll have better foot shadows. )

Just to add to the long list of RIDICULOUS situations we have to endure because we cant change names...

I have two alts, (the allowable amount on the card), I don't have any other cards I can use, so I am stuck with just the two (although any teenage griefer can probably make hundreds). The alts are useless cause I made them with "funny" names and most people who know me know the alts, making any kind of secrecy or whatever impossible. I still need to use them from time to time so they remain as open accounts, but they are basically useless in the big picture.

Because of LL policy:

- Can't delete the acounts
- Can't make new acounts
- Can't rename the accounts

Even though these restrictions are in place to counteracts "bad" citizens, they dont relly work that well, however....

I am an ideal citizen who has never had a neg rate, never griefed anyone, never been AR'ed and contributes strongly to some of SL's sucessfull communities. I am also a mentor (and would be a greeter if they ever get around to processing that), and an all around good citizen, yet I am completley screwed as far as accounts, just becuase of the fact that I only use a single credit card and becuause of these RIDICULOUS policies.

I still did not get an explanation why my alt's name got changed with no email or no notice.

If they dont want "bad" names they should filter out before they create avatars, if the name is not legal. When i created that avatar i paid 9 bucks for it.

I made a alt as a joke called "Dildo Dulce" lol and they changed it to "Darling Dulce"
Without even telling me.

I IM a linden, and he just laughed at me, and said that it must have took them alot of time to figure out what 2 put...

Which is a totally stupid answer, and i want my alt name changed to what i want, not what linden lab wants.

They have mentioned that they will start changing names in the future, where you can change your name, for a fee, i forgot the thread but a linden posted it

here it is...


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If you have a debit card you might see if that will let you open another account.

I'm not sure about full blown deletion, but I was able to 'cancel' an account I once had. I think it still registers via the SL website (ie- I could always go back and reinstate it, but not sure for how long - presumably it will eventually be erased for good). But the account no longer shows up in world under find.

I would assume that a cancelled account like that would allow you to make a new account on your credit card, and not cause any friction with the LL policies about that. But you'd probably have to check with LL to be sure.