Conversation recordings

I've a question regarding conversations.

I was recently made awared that you can record your conversations with others and even send them to anyone you like for them to view what was said.

What I would like to know is, can someone make a recording of another persons conversation even if they weren't with that person when the conversation took place?

For example: Someone comes in at night and wants to know what a another persons conversations throughout the day went like and who they spoke to. Is this possible to do or must the person be involved in the conversation themselves in order to record them?

I would hope that not anyone can make recordings at their whim of other peoples conversations unless they themselves were involved as this would seem an intrusion on anothers privacy.

Thanks

Hi Ricardo!

Yeah, it's very possible.

Infact, I have a feeling somebody else is reading this little chat of ours.

Using surveillance devices to log chat that your av is not present at, when you don't have the permission of the chatters, is seen by LL as invasion of privacy, I believe.

However, it's childishly simple to write a script that will do it, put it into an invisible object (or an entirely innocent object) and leave it somewhere.

If the idea bothers you, use IMs. It's not something that really bothers me, personally speaking.

<looks around in a paranoid manner> No! Really?


Annnyway. It's all text, so yup. Copy paste right out of the window like a text editor. Nothing you can do to stop it.

Remote monitoring of chat and the use of listening devices to spy on conversations is against the TOS, though obviously it is difficult to prove someone is doing it. My advice if you want to have a private conversation and are concerned about someone listening in, is to use IMs within SL - they cannot be monitored. The only person who could copy and paste that text would be the person you had the IM with.

Or your other self.

http://secondlife.com/corporate/cs.php Seee Section 4>Disclosure.

it's actually a CS violation and at times in a very grey area

Hmmm - Ricardo just joined SL, so maybe the answer to his question may be a little simpler.....

Ricardo - whenever you chat or IM your conversation is recorded in History (bottom left of your screen), you can view this at any time, and copy and paste it into a desktop application or an SL notecard. So in that regard it's possible to "record" your conversation, and show it to somebody else. This history file is wiped when you log out.

Surveillance devices aside, you have to be close enought to "hear" the conversation to do this.

Hope this helps...............

Are you a spy? Do you plan to be a spy?

If you want to protect yourself from something, you need to know about how it works.

"Keep your friends close, keep your enemies even closer."

As a network admiistrator, you have to know the tricks a malicious person would use to break in. Not to use it yourself but to know, what to watch out for. Policemen know a lot about how to commit a crime, yet most of them still are honest policemen

Good point, way to look out!

While I personally don't care who reads anything I say... because most of what I say is rather dull anyway .... In the past I have copied and pasted things like meetings and discussion groups to share with group members who couldn't attend. But I ALWAYS made it a point to inform everyone that I was going to be doing that and offer them the option of having me erase their names from the chat if they wished (though in all the times I did it, only one person ever asked me to).

It is a violation of TOS or some rule somewhere I'm sure to use listening devices to record conversations you are not a part of but people do it all the time. While the conversations I have are never anything anyone would want to bother recording, I'd still be pretty ticked off to find out someone was recording me. It's such a huge violation of a person's privacy.

Tis why i carry a scanner with me. I keep a eye out for anything not suposed to be there. One of my HUDs has seporate scanners for active/passive/scripted/agent. IF i detect anything active and scripted that isnt usually there i look for it and delete it. If i cant delete it i simply either use IMs or go somewhere else.

Also i found out that IMs are scanned by seaking bots at LL. They search for special words like Child, Teen, and stuff. One of my friends friends got banned a long time ago for mentioning in a IM that he was under age lol. Anyway... It just proves my point that SL has no pprivacy. No matter where ya go. I duno if local chat is scanned by those bots i meen it seems kinda hard to log stuff all over SL like that with chat ranges and such...

Tin foil hat party at my place!

Are you 100% sure they're using bots? Is it equally possible that someone else heard him confess and sent LL a copy of the chat log?

I've done that -- I had a 'girl' (female av) admit to me that she was 16 in a Mature club. I told her I was going to send the chat log to LL and she started backtracking, claiming she was really 18. I don't know what happened to her, but I haven't seen her since then.

That said, this isn't a matter of paranoia. It's a matter of discretion. If you're saying something you don't want anyone else to hear, say it in IMs and only to people you trust. The availability of scanners, remote monitors and other snoop devices makes spying all too easy.

It is possible to "listen in" on someone else's IMs. I have no idea how. But I was involved in a situation once about a year ago where a certain avatar's IMs were being monitored by his "friend" and business partner, unbeknownst to him. I didn't believe it at first, until the "friend" copied back to me some things I had said in IM to the other guy back to me. When I asked why he would do such a thing, he said he wanted to make sure his partner wasn't working for the competition or some such.

I suppose they could have been the same guy, but I am pretty damn sure that wasn't the case. Creeped me out though, and I have stayed away from both of them since.

Only way they could hear is if they had some way to tap into private IMs. So I'm pretty sure its bot's cuz i doubt lindens are all sitting around reading stuff people say. If so *takes out whip* back to work!!! Fix SL's bugs and stop being nasty!

Or the friend gave the "friend" a chatlog.

To my understanding it is not possible for a regular user to read IMs of others. However I'm pretty sure LL has the tools to do so, they have set up the network themselves after all. This doesn't mean they actually scan or filter the content, but in theory this would be possible. It's just like any instant messaging service like AIM, Yahoo! or ICQ. The server admins are potentially able to read / scan / filter your IMs.

There is a precedent for this in the last couple of years, when the FBI went after a certain ISP (in California as I recall) who had a child porn ring on their network. The ISP's defense was that they didn't monitor customer emails as it would have violated privacy. The ISP got off, and that case served notice to other ISPs that sometimes your best defense is to NOT know what your customers are doing. Otherwise you're hiring double staff just to monitor emails and cover your own butt.

I don't see LL doing this. It's possible, yes, but it would ultimately make them culpable if (when?) SL users are caught commiting illegal acts. LL had better have an 'out' available.

There is no privacy on the Linden Estate.

Well i know my friend didnt report his best friend for being under age. And he told him it in a IM. :/ He must have either been suspected by a linden previus and was under investigation, or they do monitor IMs. :/

Anyway Monitoring Local chat would be a tougher route for the lindens since they have a entire world of chat ranges and how many users online? erf... Plus all the objects that spam all over the place... But residents can build listener scripts that relay everything it hears to them. Its something any newbie can do. But the scripts are detectable because they apear ACTIVE to scanners and questioned by whoever finds it. Also itle get ya banned.

I noticed that one of the "most popular" items for sale at SLExchange is a chat recording device.

Anyone that has ever been caught recording someone else chatting while they were not in the chat radius has resulted in a PERM BAN. It's not a grey area, it's BLACK!

Didn't you see the article that proved that instead of protecting your brain, tin foil actually increases the signal your brain emits. Aliens are sneaky.