Clothing

Well, I am sure some will dismiss what I say here, but I find this important. I love clothes and I shop almost everyday for the "perfect" outfit.
Here are my griefs, complaints and cries

1. T-shirts: I really do not like the fact there is a fold in the middle of my chest with the stupid tshirt.. wth.. If anyone has seen a woman in a tshirt you know it just simply lays across..

2. Dress/Skirt: I know this is no fault of the designer but of Second Life and their great dislike obviously for women.. Making the rear end look comicly huge while wearing a dress or skirt.

3. Shoes: It greatly greatly upsets me to buy shoes and have them not fit my feet? Is this the poor craftmanship of the designer or Second Life making my life hell?

4. Pants: Of course I like obscenely low riding pants, but not all of the time.. I do not want my but crack showing all of the time.. maybe I am being prudish, but it just makes me think of plumbers

5. Flexi Hair: What a wonderful design.. But why in the hell would you designers make it where the hair from underneath the top blows up at a 90 degree angel from my head? Do you have any idea how horrible that looks? It is very frustrating to me...
Also... the fact that I put the hair on, and a lock of it is going through my body?!??! poor craftmanship i think

try making anything yourself instead of just criticising people, and you'll answer your own questions

hmm.. you would have a point except for the fact that people sell their itmes, I am the consumer therefore I purchase items.. And they make lindens and i lose lindens.
And I am sure it is things everyone has noticed.. -.-

So... trying being logical instead of jumping on the band wagon

Many prim shoes (that you wear as attachments) are sized for foot size 0. You can change your foot size in Edit -> Appearance -> Shape -> Legs and then scroll down, it's the last setting. If your feet are larger than that, it will stick out of the shoe in all sorts of places and it will all look pretty horrid.



Most likely a technical problem; flexi prims are phantom so if the wind is blowing from the wrong direction or whatever, the prim might stick through the AV mesh. With non-flexi hair, depending on the pose your AV is in, prims might stick through your AV. Wear short hairstyles to avoid that problem.

Edit: For the tshirt problem, try reducing the space between the breasts (I don't remember the slider name); alas the tshirts are not a separate mesh but painted on the body so again it's a technical problem that it doesn't stretch nicely across the cleavage. And for modest clothing, just look around a bit, search in Find with keywords like "retro".

Wonderful! Thank you.. lol


True.. but couldnt' we attach some pieces at the crown vs the back of the head?

I don't think you are being fair Raquel. Volatile is just providing some general feedback for the designer community and Linden Lab. I don't think she has singled anybody out specifically, and as a designer I find her comments helpful.

The following attachment points are commonly used for hair: skull (main hairpiece), mouth and chin (bangs or accessories). Attachments on those points move with the head, therefore they are convenient for wearing hair (so the wig doesn't stay in place when your AV nods off or whatever). There is no separate attachment point at the back of the head; I don't know where exactly the skull attachment point is located but most likely centered in the skull. To position attachments, I recommend using a posing stand; if you don't have one I can send you one later. If the hair you wear sticks through your face / neck in weird places, or you can see the back of the skull, it is possible that it is too small / too large for your head. Common sizes for hair seem to be for size 50 head and size 65 head. If the hair is mod you can resize it, I would recommend trying on a demo before buying if one is provided. If you want to learn more about hair modding, read this excellent tutorial by Salome Strangelove of Lindenlifestyles.com . The hints & tricks she presents also apply to all forms of moddable avatar accessories.

hmm Ok, so it is the attachement site that is the problem.
When you say size 50 head and size 65 head, are you meaning in height?

Thank you thank you for that read, i am going to read it now.. lol i couldn't figure out one way or another on the template in photoshop..

When you go into Apperance mode, select Shape -> Head and then it's the first slider, titled "Head size".

ahh

Everybody hates the problem with the t-shirts and the bubble butt skirts. There's even a proposal in the voting section to make a slider to adjust that.

For shoes, you need to set your feet to size zero, if you don't your shoes aren't going to fit. Women's prim shoes are designed to fit size zero feet. I think that if you do that you'll discover that the shoes you have fit.

Hair needs to be made out of prims and it's *hard*. It's very individual and can take ages to find something that you personally will be happy with. My own GF has had to mix and match hair parts from several different sets to get hair she liked.

As for low cut pants, there are other options out there, but the fact is that they're in style and when it's possible for every female av out there to have a flawless, 0 body fat body, revealing clothes tend to become very popular.

As for wanting nice clothes, It's an interesting coincidence, but a friend of mine who occasionally reads the forums and who recognized your name commented last night that you appeared at PixelDolls, didn't stay long enough even to rez, and then vanished again. (She'd been hoping to say "Hi" I think, you have a very memorable name.

If that's all the time you're giving as great a place as PixelDolls, then you're probably not likely to find good clothes. PixelDolls is one of the places I've seen that actually manages to do skirst well for instance, and the shop really deserves a substantial amount of time to go through. So do some others.

Really, it can be a problem to find clothes that you like in SL if your tastes ron a bit outside of the mainstream, and when you're new it takes a fair amount of shopping around to find places that carry things that you are actually going to *like*.

Just be glad you're not male. The selection for guys is probably a tenth or less of what's available for women, and most of it, unless you want to look like a thug, a goth, (And not one of the cool one's from the 80's either.) or a polo-shirt and dockers kind of guy is pretty limited as well.

I have bought gobs of hair, and I have one I really like, but I like different looks instead of having to stay with one hair style.


figures.. sigh.. yeah i purchased a dress that was more art than clothes, and my chest was showing a tad to much in the wrong area and was informed that in sl its ok..lol
don't know if i'll wear the dress


Tell her I said hello and thanks
aha! you are pressuming that was my first trip there it was actually my third.. the first time she almost broke me -.-
I remember that day, I couldn't decide between shopping for clothes or shopping for garden stuff.. It can be difficult deciding these things lol



I have to say that I am quite lucky in my taste it runs the whole gammit actually.
yes I do have to say I am quite delighted not to be a guy.. lol And I agree a male's selection in clothes no matter where is comletely limited
What kind of clothes would you want to see that you don't see?

Size of the head as in how big or small you make it in Appearance, independant of your height, is what I think she meant. ^^
Also, when it comes to skirts, the problem is the mesh LL made for them, which, since it has to fit all avs, will likely never change. If you want slinkier skirt looks, try prim skirts from places like Dazzle and Canimal.
This also brings up the shirt issues... For a shirt to not dip in the midde like that, there would be 2 routes-- either a mesh shirt, like the skirt, which LL would probably never do for fear of being beaten, because it would be loose and fugly... Or making some sort of inter-breast prim akin the the crotch prim of a prim miniskirt, which is probably a lot more trouble than it's worth, and wouldn't look good anyway...
For higher pants and generally non-hoochy clothes, Luxe has quite a few items there. If you want to hide the crack also try wearing camisoles and tops that are on a jacket layer, which you can find scattered at places like Fashionably Dead, Dazzle, Pixeldolls etc. If you want more specific examples you can IM me in world and I can fish a few gems in these categories out of my inv. to show you.

I keep my clothing folder organized by garments which are skirted, and those which are panted. In the root folder for each, I keep a copy of my av shape, both identical except for butt and hip size. When I change from pants to a skirt, I also drag the body shape with the smaller midsection to myself. A tad cumbersome, but you get accustomed to it. Hope this helps.

I like Canimal's stuff, but I don't think I have seen Dazzle so far :/
On the shirts I just couldn't figure out why some dip in the middle and some don't. So that would explain it, its just an added detail of the designer.

Yes I don't mind wearing showy outfits in the evening but when I am going to a class or what not I would rather dress more appropriate.. lol

so shortening my midsection helps?hmm
yeah i have my clothing folder organzied.. heh

Good hair is just plain hard to find. Personally I'd suggest Tickled Pink, because I've seen some friends with nice hair from them, and because they have sample hair available that you can try on before you buy it.

(They have a sign sticking out of the top that says "Sample".)

As for mens hair...I still use the plain SL hair. I haven't seen any Prim hair for men that I consider even remotely acceptable to me.



That can happen. One thing that can work is to wear something under it for modesty. But the comment about it being acceptable in SL...well, if I looked like my av IRL I'd still own a leather jacket, but I probably wouldn't own a shirt. ;)



I'll tell her, and I'm sure she'll be able to relate to your experience, since she spent over a thousand $L last night shopping herself. :)





I'd like to see more sharp, dressy clothes in blacks and dark grey's. More 80's styled clothes with skinny ties, sharp jackets, etc. More goth clothes without some much of a metal influence. More sharp looking shirts that *don't* look like 70's disco wear, that sort of thing.

Oh, and while you complain about the big butt skirts and the chest issue, I'm completely sick of the bell bottom look on pants. People can call them "flair" pants if they want, but I was alive durring the 70's and I know bell-bottoms when I see them. :P

OH, the bell bottoms or the pants that are tight around my ankles..
I have to say, I don't like the length of most of the pants.. I like to wear them like I do in rl I want the cuffs to come at foot level so when I wear heels it looks perfect! much higher than that and than the pants look to short

Someone made jeans with a prim for the lower leg part, to get a nice cut for the pants. I don't remember who it was, but maybe searching the forums for "bootcut prim" will help (or maybe one of the fashionistas here knows what I'm talking about?)

Also, when you discover the dreaded "inside of pants leg is same color as skin" phenomenon, which is quite ugly with bellbottom pants, go visit Robin Sojourner's shop. You can get a tintable free sock there that covers only the inside part of the pant leg flare and helps remedy that problem. (And I totally love the hair she sells - good for when one is fed-up with high prim hair or going to a large gathering where being lag-conscious is good manners).

hmm, well do that. yeah, i've bought some socks and have worn them with some of my shoes for that reason :/
Oh, I didn't know that hair was part of the lag problem.. hmmm is it any hair, flexi hair, or what?

I'd like to add that 90% of hair places have demos available. As for peices sticking through you, sometimes you have to right-click and edit a style; stretch it to fit your head, rotate and move it a little. Some styles have over-the shoulder pieces that are best saved for photoshoots. Elikapeka Tiramisu, Kin Keiko, Launa Fauna, Lost Thereian, Helyanwe Vindaloo, and Toast Bard are some of my favourites here. If you don't want to worry about sizing hair too much, Six Kennedy of Gurl6 sells hair that comes in 3 sizes of each colour. babyBoo Glitterbuck of Here Comes Trouble sells 2 sizes in each colour pack, all included of course.

Also if you have issues with pant length, if the pants are mod, you can make a copy, then go in appearance and tinker with the length etc. Sometimes this won't work if the stuff is highly detailed, but if there's no textured hem or anything, and the deisgner continued the texture on down a little further on the template, you can fix them easily. If you can't make a copy, maybe ask the designer's help on this one, though they may not be able to help you. They're usually pretty approachable and friendly if you are, anyway, so it never hurts to ask. ^^

Augh, I haaave this. I know this one~!! It's in my inv! I'm thinking Dazzle or Celestial Studios...?

Ok, so i download the templates from sl, than i upload them as a file correct?

Shoes from MOST places are usually set to 0, it would be impossibly time consuming, prim resource eating and just plain nuts to make shoes for each and every slider point of the avatar. When looking at feet you really dont notice a difference in the size of them be they size 20 or 0, but if your wearing a size 20 foot in a size 0 shoe .. ur foots gonna bust out all over the place so best bet is making your feet size 0.

Prim hair is really hard to just get a fit straight from the shelf Head size is just one MINOR part of how prim hair looks on different heads, how long your forehead is , how much it sticks out, whether your eggshaped or not.. even the lenghth of your neck .. it all will affect how prim hair will fit. Theres not like standar for that since we all want to look different . I am a total spaz who puts 3 different sizes in each hair pack just to kind of help out but even that doesnt guarentee someone a totally perfect fit. I made my small size molded after my size 30 head and soon realized that most people will end up having to adjust that. So I decided to add in a size large.. I use the noob female avatar size 65 head and head shape for that size. I like doing this because someone thats a total nooooob and hasnt even changed their head sliders at all yet are able to come in and wear it right off the shelf with no adjustment needed. Ive more recently added a size medium to please the people with the size 50 heads. Hopefully it all makes resizing hair a little less traumatic for most.

(Linden lifestyles posted an awesome article on how to resize and adjust your prim hair .. I dont have the link handy ( i keep it on a notecard in world ) but someone here may have that link. )

Prim skirts use to be satan to me and I would never buy outfits with them but now I pretty much only wear prim skirts now that I've taken the time to work out adjusting them properly.

Avatar Mesh Skirts can be quite scary but there are alot of designers that figured out a way to make em' hot even if you dont set your bootay to 0.

You really just have to make the best of everything you got lol.. My boyfriend showed me pictures what things were like in sl along time ago when he started playing and ACKK.. SL fashion has come alonggggggg way baby !!! LOL and I'm sure it will only continue to get better !

Yup, prims can add to lag, lots of twisty prims on dozens of heads can add a lot to lag. Which is why people are often asked to take off primmy attachments at live concerts and such.

As for the uploading question, have a look at the "Design & textures" forum, there's a bunch of threads stickied on top that are really helpfull for any budding designer.