Philip has posted his intended remarks on his blog
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Cocoanut Cookie
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06-24-2006 15:50
My view: Any vision that puts children at risk is a poor one.
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Jack Harker
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06-24-2006 15:59
From: Tsukasa Karuna I'm actually starting to see a method behind the linden madness. I dont like the steps in between, myself, but it had to be done sooner or later. We're going in the direction of a WWW like system where LL is more or less a service provider, hosting servers, for us to run content on. We will be responsible for our own content and the age verification thereof. If SL is ever to grow from what we see today, this change was necessary. I can almost see LL's thinking here. Such a huge paradigm shift would simply take too long if this was bounced off of the residents first, and from the urgency from behind the scenes, they feel that the world as we know it was in jeopardy. I see a temporary increase in greifing and teens, and as the shfit completes, this number should go back down to an acceptable level. I'm just afraid some idiot is going to sue LL between now and whenever some acceptable means of age verification come into play. Best of luck. Yeah, he wan'ts to be the new Internet, the new Web, etc. He wants LL to be a common carrier. The thing is, they're going at this exactly backwards. If they really want that, then what they *need* to do, is to give people the option of clearly identifying themselves. No the ability to be even more anymous, but to clearly and in a way that can be trusted, to identify who they are IRL, and to have a trusted method of telling who *else* is really who they say they are. The internet is a medium for comunication, and much communication depends on knowing exactly who you're communicating with. SL has *no* option for that. In addition, the internet doesn't have asshats running around with toy guns and bombs shooting you and blowing you up when you're trying buy books from Amazon, or look up web entries on cities in Denmark. Just what the hell are they thinking on *that*? Clearly, they've lost it. They're completely out of touch with what SL curently is and is capable of becoming. A SL version 2.0 *designed* to be a Metaverse, with all of the needed functionality built in would be doable. *This* version OTOH is just going to break, and break badly when trying to fit it to that use. LL has shot itself in the foot already, and it seems like they're determined to reload and are aiming for the head.
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Luciftias Neurocam
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06-24-2006 16:25
From: Jack Harker Clearly, they've lost it. They're completely out of touch with what SL curently is and is capable of becoming. A SL version 2.0 *designed* to be a Metaverse, with all of the needed functionality built in would be doable. *This* version OTOH is just going to break, and break badly when trying to fit it to that use.
LL has shot itself in the foot already, and it seems like they're determined to reload and are aiming for the head.
Why should anyone think you know jack shit about this?
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Jack Harker
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06-24-2006 17:10
From: Alazarin Mondrian That was a well thought out post, Elror. But if it was just about 'getting up the numbers' why hasn't LL splashed out some of that mythical 11 million dollars on a promotion and advertising campaign. There's more ways to get a crowd in than simply dropping your drawers and shouting out 'Come and get it big boy'.
I'm with Marla here in that I feel that adults need to be protected too. Up to now SL has been that safe walled garden where we could play. That has now ended. I should imagine that people who are more instested in sex play will prolly migrate to Sociolotron. How that affects SL remains to be seen. Not a chance. Sociolotron is about rape, it's about explotation, it's about acting out all of the negative things that go with sex *and* it's a "leveling" and combat game *and* it's an apallingly primitive interface with no room for personal creativity. It's like D&D with rape and slavery. It's completely anathama to any kind of *adult* (As in grown up.) sort of enviroment. I have friends here, I have a partner, I have a home and big garden and the ability to create...and I have poseballs, for acting out other, perfectly natural parts of grown-up relationships.
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Jack Harker
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06-24-2006 17:19
From: Luciftias Neurocam Why should anyone think you know jack shit about this? Ah, yes another thoughtfull, temperate response, calmly and inteligently raising and adressing the points made in the post you're responding to, and convincingly refuting those with which you disagree. Oh, wait, no it wasn't. Oh well, until you are capable of actually doing the above, I guess I'll just have figure that you're actually incapable of forming and argument against anything I've said and have therefore been reduced to contentless, barely articulate, highly emotional denials.
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Usagi Musashi
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06-24-2006 19:16
From: Luciftias Neurocam What an assholish comment. Well if who knows and uses one avie to play inworld and another to post onthe forums its nowonder you can say this without worry Have a nice day and have a cookie little one..........( next time post with your playing avie and not a alt chicken )  a very sad posting from a person which needs help dealing with rl 
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Usagi Musashi
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06-24-2006 19:20
From: Tsukasa Karuna Wow. 2nded on the assholish comment bandwagon. Btw, dont you think that philip probably IS in the world regularly, just under an alt? Yeah, Lewis Nerd, i'm talking to you  why in the world do people have to act think this? do you really think your cute? of are you just like this in real life with people? shakeshead and think why some people even play the sl game to start with? maybe rl hold little interst or friends?.......indeed a very sad person it seems.
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Usagi Musashi
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06-24-2006 19:34
From: Tsukasa Karuna I see a temporary increase in greifing and teens, and as the shfit completes, this number should go back down to an acceptable level.
"temporary increase" OMG kid where have you been resently in the game? case closed with your remarks made here........ "Should good down to a acceptable level" LOL are you joking its getting worse........ Come on do really think these remarks makes sence?! Both are have any value? please befor putting down other remarks ( THINK ) just like rl if a person is standing infront of after being rude with such remarks you have maded. ( WAIT YOU CAN`T because I highly doubt you can look people inthe eye and say such rude remarks to people ).
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Cow Hand
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06-24-2006 21:02
From: Lewis Nerd I would challenge you, Philip, to spend TWO HOURS with me in-world, at a time of mutual convenience, using an alt if you prefer to protect yourself (as long as I know who you are) to see for yourself exactly what it is like now. Lewis
OMG, why would Philip spend 2 hours with you? What makes you so great?
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Allana Dion
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06-24-2006 21:08
From: Pham Neutra Copied from the comments on Philip's blog Read carefully guys, while I dont agree with a lot of things Phillip has said as of late, dont put words in his mouth that came out of someone elses..... The transcript I refer to with the above quote was of someone elses response to Phillips blog I believe and not Philip himself speaking. EDIT: Read further after posting this..oops disregard. 
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Tsukasa Karuna
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06-24-2006 21:10
Its apparent to me that some people have absolutely zero sense of humor. I am in the world, quite regularly. Wasn't at the big celebration that got crashed/griefed, whatever, but the worst i've had happen is some asshat teleport in, look around, tag me with a webspinner, and teleport out. Oh, and rude remarks? From: Usagi Musashi rl if a person is standing infront of after being rude with such remarks you have maded. ( WAIT YOU CAN`T because I highly doubt you can look people inthe eye and say such rude remarks to people ).
From: Usagi Musashi do you really think your cute? of are you just like this in real life with people? shakeshead and think why some people even play the sl game to start with? maybe rl hold little interst or friends?.......indeed a very sad person it seems.
And the kicker: From: Usagi Musashi I wish mr. philip would get his dirty butt in the game and see how bad it is now. But will he i highly doubt it!
Please come back and talk to me about rude remarks when you can make a single bloody post without resorting to personal attacks.
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Allana Dion
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06-24-2006 21:17
From: Magnum Serpentine I've been here since 2003, and this account issue is not effecting me one way or the other.
On you all's protest... I thought it was suppose to be a silent protest. It was originally intended to be but the celebration was fun. We found we were just in too good a mood to sit being all silent and boring. We would have confined any talk to group IM and necessary group conversations we did, but it was a pleasant atmosphere most of the time and we enjoyed normal conversation instead. We of course did the right thing and shut up when Phillip came to speak but well, everyone saw how long that lasted 
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Rhynalae Eldrich
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06-27-2006 13:13
From: Jack Harker LL has shot itself in the foot already, and it seems like they're determined to reload and are aiming for the head. This sort of thing always leaves me wondering. Obviously people feel strongly that LL is making a big mistake. There have been many well-reasoned arguments for why this is a mistake. LL is proceeding anyway. Yet they also are intelligent enough to have created and run this whole thing, and they do seem to read the comments that people make. Generally, people with the broad sort of mindset LL seems to have are people who conceptually examine other points of view just by nature, try to consider everything when picking a direction in which to take the world. Obviously they want their endeavor to succeed. I just can't quite figure out whether LL is as foolish as people are making them out to be, or whether they simply understand something that most of the community does not seem to. [Also confusing the matter is that if you examine the forums for ANY popular MMO, you will see the same behavior: Players complaining about what a terrible mistake the developers are making with the new changes, and the developers sometimes saying, "No, it's not a mistake" and proceeding along as planned.]
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Usagi Musashi
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06-27-2006 22:53
From: Tsukasa Karuna Please come back and talk to me about rude remarks when you can make a single bloody post without resorting to personal attacks. Case closed  have a good day  It takes all kinds of people these days to kill fun and enjoyment on sl....... Take your own advice kiddy... C grade for maybe little imporovement...... NAW D for .............
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Pham Neutra
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06-27-2006 23:24
From: Rhynalae Eldrich Obviously people feel strongly that LL is making a big mistake. There have been many well-reasoned arguments for why this is a mistake. LL is proceeding anyway. [...] [Also confusing the matter is that if you examine the forums for ANY popular MMO, you will see the same behavior: Players complaining about what a terrible mistake the developers are making with the new changes, and the developers sometimes saying, "No, it's not a mistake" and proceeding along as planned.] No reason, to be confused, Rhynalae. There is a very simple explanation for this: If you step from a decision every time "people feel strongly [you are] making a big mistake" you will not get much done in your life as an entrepreneur.  I have been in SL for only a little more than a year now but I can hardly imagine any change, that Linden Lab introduces for the platform, about which residents will not "feel strongly that LL is making a big mistake" - at least many vocal ones on the forums. And people love to complain ... This is not to say that these people are wrong. Of course it is possible, that LL has made a mistake. People make mistakes. Companies are led by peple. But just because "many well-reasoned arguments" are raised against a decision this does not make it a mistake. There are "many well-reasoned arguments" supporting this decision, too. Time will tell, which set of reasons will prove to be valid. 
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