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SuezanneC Baskerville

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07-25-2006 21:53

From: Joshua Linden

Hey everyone!

We are planning the release of Second Life version 1.11.1 on Wednesday July 26th, 2006 pending final verification of all issues. Second Life will be unavailable from 7am to 12pm PDT/SLT for the update. New client software will be required to access 1.11.1.

The 1.11.1 Preview grid has been updated with the release candidate, and will remain open while we are performing the update to the main grid. We encourage you to stop by and check things out. Second Life viewers can be downloaded from the Preview page of our website, http://secondlife.com/community/preview.php.

Here are the tentative release notes, pending final verification of all issues:

New features:
* Additional right-click functionality for inventory folders containing wearables
** "Add to Outfit" puts accessories on your avatar without removing existing ones
*** This is also activated by shift-dragging the folder onto your avatar
** "Replace Outfit" removes existing outfit and wears contents of folder
** "Take Off" removes ONLY worn items in the folder
* Region/Estate and About Land now feature the option "Restricted Pushing"
** When pushing is restricted, only the following calls of llPushObject will succeed on the land:
*** Any push called against the owner of the scripted object
*** An object owned by the landowner
*** An object deeded (or Set) to the same group the land parcel is deeded (or Set)
** Region/Estate edits this setting on a per-region basis, not per-estate

Other changes:
* llGiveInventory() box now supports an option to mute the giving agent (user or object)
* llPushObject() functionality can now be disabled on a parcel or region
* Sounds triggered by muted residents are now muted
* Change LOD scaling of Object Mesh Detail slider to be higher quality when it's set to maximum

Bug fixes:
* Banned users cannot be heard from your parcel
* Texture tab and picker no longer preview textures on objects you don't own
* Fixed a bug where IM and Chat history text is blurred on some ATI cards
* Fixed a bug where skirt mesh blocks attachment editing on legs
* Group names, parcel names, classified names are now filtered to ASCII characters
* All default gestures no longer deactivated upon first relogin
* 'Stop Flying' button is now disabled when flying over No Fly land
* Right-click IM calling cards now works consistently
* Fixed a bug where scrollbars failed to appear when IM window holds more IMs than IM panel can display
* Fixed a bug where multi-select of faces does not always display the last selected face properties
* Fixed a bug where color settings revert to black when changed from defaults
* Fixed a bug where clicking set in about land / forsale doesnt automatically show the calling cards
* Hitting enter while chat history has focus now focuses the chat bar

Linux client fixes:
* No linux client-specific fixes in this release

Well, do the changes in the new version coming Wednesday suit you? Was there a change you wanted that didn't get made? Do any of the changes not suit you?

Has the F1 Help information been update to reflect the changes? There's signs on Help Island telling you to press F1 for help so big they would choke a horse while blocking your view of the horse and the rest of the herd - will the new users get correct information or an outdated help site? How are we to know if the preview grid uses the standard main grid help url?

There are choices for clothing folders to add to or replace outfit; I take it that outfit means what you are currently wearing. A way to avoid putting on a folder that takes off your underwear and your flight aid. That sounds good, if I read it right.

Same snapshot function, no option for the old one that suited the vast majority of users better than the new one done.

But hey, I have Irfanview, and now Snag-it, I can just take screen captures and put them on Photobucket instead of sending snapshot to Cristiano's Snapzilla. It's harder and no one will see them, but what the heck, that's progress.

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07-25-2006 22:10

Honestly?

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Kalia Meiklejohn

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07-25-2006 22:21

Thank god I'm not a paying player...or else I'd be downgrading with all these updates, bugs, etc...

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07-25-2006 22:22

Time to do the weekly wash my clothes and shop food.. prob also meet some IRL friends

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I am happy that we have this weekly updates or my IRL would be more disaster then it is.. Plus the self cleaning of my inventory.. I will need to shop new clothes and new shoes Thursday.-. and keep the economy running...

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07-25-2006 22:34

I know that Michi and eltee looking closely at objects inworld, I will be interested to see their evaluation of the LOD changes.

It will of course to be interesting to see what folks say about the push restrictions.

The chat still closes if you press enter on an empty line.

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Seifert Surface

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07-25-2006 23:15

From: SuezanneC Baskerville

I know that Michi and eltee looking closely at objects inworld, I will be interested to see their evaluation of the LOD changes.

I'm in preview right now, object mesh detail slider on full, everything seems to be back the way it should be! Even with the slider at the default half way, zooming in all the way puts the LOD at maximum

Now if we could only get those shiny bugs fixed...

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Angel Fluffy

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07-25-2006 23:46

... I'm surprised Residents are not more impressed.
Consider, in this update, we are getting :
* the ability to choose if we want a folder dragged on our av to *replace* or *add to* our existing av.
* llPushObject restrictions that will do a huge amount to halt griefing
* Easy muting of avatars/objects that spam us with inventory offers.
* Sounds triggered by muted Residents are also muted.
* Users banned from your parcel cannot be heard on the parcel they are banned on.

That's one major needed change (push restrictions), and several smaller very nice changes (easy muting of spammy objects, muting for avs on parcels they're banned from, sound muting, better management of dropping folders on avs).

It most definately surprises me that people aren't happy about this.
Ok, I can see that with the serious stability issues that SL has been having lately (my sim crashes multiple times per *day* with no explanation forthcoming) that you might fear bugs. That's reasonable - bugs do happen. The feature set though, I think, is definately a very good thing.

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07-26-2006 00:39

While I still think, the pie menu and snapshot system should be reworked / rolled back, the new update changelog does show some really important fixes and improvements.

See here for another thread on the topic:
/108/11/124278/1.html

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Turgar Nilsson

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07-26-2006 02:24

personally.....I'd have loved ONE week off from a patch. After all the problems of last week, and the announcement that LL's were looking into less frequent updates, I thought this weeks usual downtime would have been cancelled.

Aodhan McDunnough

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07-26-2006 02:31

From: someone

New features:
* Additional right-click functionality for inventory folders containing wearables
** "Add to Outfit" puts accessories on your avatar without removing existing ones
*** This is also activated by shift-dragging the folder onto your avatar
** "Replace Outfit" removes existing outfit and wears contents of folder
** "Take Off" removes ONLY worn items in the folder
* Region/Estate and About Land now feature the option "Restricted Pushing"
** When pushing is restricted, only the following calls of llPushObject will succeed on the land:
*** Any push called against the owner of the scripted object
*** An object owned by the landowner
*** An object deeded (or Set) to the same group the land parcel is deeded (or Set)
** Region/Estate edits this setting on a per-region basis, not per-estate

Other changes:
* llPushObject() functionality can now be disabled on a parcel or region
* Sounds triggered by muted residents are now muted
* Change LOD scaling of Object Mesh Detail slider to be higher quality when it's set to maximum

Bug fixes:
* Banned users cannot be heard from your parcel
* Texture tab and picker no longer preview textures on objects you don't own
* Fixed a bug where color settings revert to black when changed from defaults

For boldface, happy for those who were panicking.

For the rest, happy happy. Most so for red stuff

They still need to work on push options for avatars but the land options are a welcome relief. Goodbye to Griefers (part 1).

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Dimitrio Lewis

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07-26-2006 02:43

Am I reading this announcement correctly? It sounds as though the Preview grid has only been updated with these new features mere hours before they are applied to the main grid?

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Aodhan McDunnough

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07-26-2006 02:45

From: Dimitrio Lewis

Am I reading this announcement correctly? It sounds as though the Preview grid has only been updated with these new features mere hours before they are applied to the main grid?

I don't think all the new features are last minute additions, but some might be.

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Raphael Rutherford

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07-26-2006 04:09

This is insane, only a few hours of preview available before the release. And at a time where many is offline.

I'll better plan for doing something else for the rest of the day, and probably for tomorrow too. Maybe I'll go get my taxi

This is not exactly what I expected after Robins excusing letter, telling how they would improve testing.

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07-26-2006 04:53

From: Aodhan McDunnough

They still need to work on push options for avatars but the land options are a welcome relief. Goodbye to Griefers (part 1)

Would be more use to simply have an avatar setting push / be pushed on or off - this would mean that wherever you were, if you had push off, you couldn't use a weapon or be affected by anyone else with them. It might break a few elevators that used push, but the benefits far outweigh the problem.

The best way to stop griefers... close the biggest loophole there is.... THE OPEN REGISTRATION SYSTEM.

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Jessica Elytis

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07-26-2006 05:51

I approve of this actually. Good things to put in. LOTS of bug fixes (duh! They screwed up major last time).

Bad points, however;

-Need WAY WAY WAY more time testing before adding MORE options. Fixes yes, new things OH HELL NO!!!!!

-No mention of the Pie Menu problem. R-Click as is is very annoying and potentially dangerous to losing items. This needs fixed or reverted back ASAP.

-No mention of Camera Functions. I wonder if the Feature Implementation Team (I hope LL has one of those) even LOOKS at Resident feedback.

My desires for future features;

-BRING BACK PROOF OF IDENTIFICATION IN REGISTRATION

-GIVE RESIDENTS THE ABILITY TO TURN OFF ||PUSH PER AVATAR REGUARDLESS OF WHAT LAND THEY ARE ON. For the combat sims, give a land options to dis-allow turning off push. Sort of like the heart we use now.

-Give an option to use the old camera system. Also, do a study to find out if keeping the new system (and debugging it) is worth the time when so few even like it.

-Move the LIBRARY in our inventory to it's own tab. With the addition of tabs in the inventory, why the hell is the Library still on our main list of items?

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VolatileWhimsy Bu

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07-26-2006 05:56

From: Aodhan McDunnough

For boldface, happy for those who were panicking.

For the rest, happy happy. Most so for red stuff

They still need to work on push options for avatars but the land options are a welcome relief. Goodbye to Griefers (part 1).

Your joking on the goodbye to griefers aren't you?
I think you guys are underestimating the school yard bully.. Never good to underestimate..

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07-26-2006 06:28

From: Lewis Nerd

Would be more use to simply have an avatar setting push / be pushed on or off - this would mean that wherever you were, if you had push off, you couldn't use a weapon or be affected by anyone else with them. It might break a few elevators that used push, but the benefits far outweigh the problem.

There seemed to be alot of 'resistance' to that idea when it was brokered at one of the townhalls and on some of the linden blogs... they were much happier with a land owner setting, and frankly it should be mostly moot as i can't see anyone sane leaving push on, on their private land (since any possible push objects of theirs will still work fine) and pretty much every public area in SL will most likely be set nopush by dinnertime tonight.

A per av setting would have 'enabled' cheating in specific combat sims/games, or some such, i duno... overall i'm just happy clicking one checkbox now provides 24/7/365 push protection for our guests

but yes, overall:

nopush, *thank you*
restored detail *thank you*
better folder/outfit management thank you
muting muted idiot's sounds *thank you*
chat color bug fix *thank you*
texture picker more accurately reflecting, and limiting, to 'fair use' doctrines (things you have acquired some personal license to use/own) hey, thanks too, its not 100% ideal for either creators or users, but its a pretty good compromise.

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07-26-2006 06:33

From: Kalia Meiklejohn

Thank god I'm not a paying player...or else I'd be downgrading with all these updates, bugs, etc...

I'm premium, and the updates are a good thing. They squash the bugs, and offer new features. That's what I am paying for.

There is no way to prevent all bugs from making it to a live server environment until it's there. SL is too complex a system to run perfectly after each update.

This is common in all MMORPG's / 3D Multiuser Environments.

Imagine what LL could develop if they had a larger budget from more premium subscriptions. But alas, too many people want a free indefinite ride.

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Lynn Kukulcan

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07-26-2006 06:56

I've learned that if you hold the right mouse button down, it becomes maneageable to use it. I've done it several times!

Duke Dunderdale

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07-26-2006 06:59

Problem... I can't log in to the preview grid. Keeps telling me my name and/or password is wrong and I know they're not. DO you have to makea different account for the preview grid??

Wanda Rich

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07-26-2006 07:00

7am - no update.

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ed44 Gupte

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07-26-2006 07:03

Hi Duke,

They copied the ppl on the main grid some time ago. You should be ok for the next preview.

Ed

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07-26-2006 07:03

From: VolatileWhimsy Bu

Your joking on the goodbye to griefers aren't you?
I think you guys are underestimating the school yard bully.. Never good to underestimate..

Very true... and each new "fix" for a griefing issue, limits scripters who legitimately develop content using the tools griefers abuse.

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Duke Dunderdale

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07-26-2006 07:05

From: ed44 Gupte

Hi Duke,

They copied the ppl on the main grid some time ago. You should be ok for the next preview.

Ed

So I'm outta luck for this preview? Bummer.

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07-26-2006 07:10

The no push restrictions in both about land and estate tools is a good thing. And I admit, the way it works sounds good in theory. I have one question.. does this mean that the no push blocks it if the weapon is fired from outside the parcel? (It's early for me, sorry if this sounds like a stupid question.)

Bug fixes are always welcome. Always. And the return of true LOD is good, very, very, very good.

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SuezanneC Baskerville Forums Rock! Join date: 22 Dec 2003 Posts: 14,229	07-25-2006 21:53 From: Joshua Linden Hey everyone! We are planning the release of Second Life version 1.11.1 on Wednesday July 26th, 2006 pending final verification of all issues. Second Life will be unavailable from 7am to 12pm PDT/SLT for the update. New client software will be required to access 1.11.1. The 1.11.1 Preview grid has been updated with the release candidate, and will remain open while we are performing the update to the main grid. We encourage you to stop by and check things out. Second Life viewers can be downloaded from the Preview page of our website, http://secondlife.com/community/preview.php. Here are the tentative release notes, pending final verification of all issues: New features: * Additional right-click functionality for inventory folders containing wearables "Add to Outfit" puts accessories on your avatar without removing existing ones * This is also activated by shift-dragging the folder onto your avatar "Replace Outfit" removes existing outfit and wears contents of folder "Take Off" removes ONLY worn items in the folder * Region/Estate and About Land now feature the option "Restricted Pushing" When pushing is restricted, only the following calls of llPushObject will succeed on the land: * Any push called against the owner of the scripted object * An object owned by the landowner * An object deeded (or Set) to the same group the land parcel is deeded (or Set) ** Region/Estate edits this setting on a per-region basis, not per-estate Other changes: * llGiveInventory() box now supports an option to mute the giving agent (user or object) * llPushObject() functionality can now be disabled on a parcel or region * Sounds triggered by muted residents are now muted * Change LOD scaling of Object Mesh Detail slider to be higher quality when it's set to maximum Bug fixes: * Banned users cannot be heard from your parcel * Texture tab and picker no longer preview textures on objects you don't own * Fixed a bug where IM and Chat history text is blurred on some ATI cards * Fixed a bug where skirt mesh blocks attachment editing on legs * Group names, parcel names, classified names are now filtered to ASCII characters * All default gestures no longer deactivated upon first relogin * 'Stop Flying' button is now disabled when flying over No Fly land * Right-click IM calling cards now works consistently * Fixed a bug where scrollbars failed to appear when IM window holds more IMs than IM panel can display * Fixed a bug where multi-select of faces does not always display the last selected face properties * Fixed a bug where color settings revert to black when changed from defaults * Fixed a bug where clicking set in about land / forsale doesnt automatically show the calling cards * Hitting enter while chat history has focus now focuses the chat bar Linux client fixes: * No linux client-specific fixes in this release Well, do the changes in the new version coming Wednesday suit you? Was there a change you wanted that didn't get made? Do any of the changes not suit you? Has the F1 Help information been update to reflect the changes? There's signs on Help Island telling you to press F1 for help so big they would choke a horse while blocking your view of the horse and the rest of the herd - will the new users get correct information or an outdated help site? How are we to know if the preview grid uses the standard main grid help url? There are choices for clothing folders to add to or replace outfit; I take it that outfit means what you are currently wearing. A way to avoid putting on a folder that takes off your underwear and your flight aid. That sounds good, if I read it right. Same snapshot function, no option for the old one that suited the vast majority of users better than the new one done. But hey, I have Irfanview, and now Snag-it, I can just take screen captures and put them on Photobucket instead of sending snapshot to Cristiano's Snapzilla. It's harder and no one will see them, but what the heck, that's progress. _____________________ - So long to these forums, the vBulletin forums that used to be at forums.secondlife.com. I will miss them. I can be found on the web by searching for "SuezanneC Baskerville", or go to http://www.google.com/profiles/suezanne - http://lindenlab.tribe.net/ created on 11/19/03. Members: Ben, Catherine, Colin, Cory, Dan, Doug, Jim, Philip, Phoenix, Richard, Robin, and Ryan -
Phedre Aquitaine I am the zombie queen Join date: 26 Jan 2006 Posts: 1,157	07-25-2006 22:10 Honestly? I'm building a bombshelter... _____________________ From: Billybob Goodliffe everyone loves phedre (excluding chickens), its in the TOS
Kalia Meiklejohn You make me itch Join date: 20 Jun 2006 Posts: 258	07-25-2006 22:21 Thank god I'm not a paying player...or else I'd be downgrading with all these updates, bugs, etc...
PetGirl Bergman Fellow Creature:-) Join date: 16 Feb 2005 Posts: 2,414	07-25-2006 22:22 Time to do the weekly wash my clothes and shop food.. prob also meet some IRL friends) I am happy that we have this weekly updates or my IRL would be more disaster then it is.. Plus the self cleaning of my inventory.. I will need to shop new clothes and new shoes Thursday.-. and keep the economy running...))) /Tina - EXAKT dont belive me... _____________________
SuezanneC Baskerville Forums Rock! Join date: 22 Dec 2003 Posts: 14,229	07-25-2006 22:34 I know that Michi and eltee looking closely at objects inworld, I will be interested to see their evaluation of the LOD changes. It will of course to be interesting to see what folks say about the push restrictions. The chat still closes if you press enter on an empty line. _____________________ - So long to these forums, the vBulletin forums that used to be at forums.secondlife.com. I will miss them. I can be found on the web by searching for "SuezanneC Baskerville", or go to http://www.google.com/profiles/suezanne - http://lindenlab.tribe.net/ created on 11/19/03. Members: Ben, Catherine, Colin, Cory, Dan, Doug, Jim, Philip, Phoenix, Richard, Robin, and Ryan -
Seifert Surface Mathematician Join date: 14 Jun 2005 Posts: 912	07-25-2006 23:15 From: SuezanneC Baskerville I know that Michi and eltee looking closely at objects inworld, I will be interested to see their evaluation of the LOD changes. I'm in preview right now, object mesh detail slider on full, everything seems to be back the way it should be! Even with the slider at the default half way, zooming in all the way puts the LOD at maximum Now if we could only get those shiny bugs fixed... _____________________ -Seifert Surface 2G!tGLf 2nLt9cG
Angel Fluffy Very Helpful Join date: 3 Mar 2006 Posts: 810	07-25-2006 23:46 ... I'm surprised Residents are not more impressed. Consider, in this update, we are getting : * the ability to choose if we want a folder dragged on our av to replace or add to our existing av. * llPushObject restrictions that will do a huge amount to halt griefing * Easy muting of avatars/objects that spam us with inventory offers. * Sounds triggered by muted Residents are also muted. * Users banned from your parcel cannot be heard on the parcel they are banned on. That's one major needed change (push restrictions), and several smaller very nice changes (easy muting of spammy objects, muting for avs on parcels they're banned from, sound muting, better management of dropping folders on avs). It most definately surprises me that people aren't happy about this. Ok, I can see that with the serious stability issues that SL has been having lately (my sim crashes multiple times per day with no explanation forthcoming) that you might fear bugs. That's reasonable - bugs do happen. The feature set though, I think, is definately a very good thing. _____________________ Volunteer Portal (FAQs!) : https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Volunteer_Portal JIRA / Issue Tracker : http://jira.secondlife.com (& http://tinyurl.com/2jropp)
Zi Ree Mrrrew! Join date: 25 Feb 2006 Posts: 723	07-26-2006 00:39 While I still think, the pie menu and snapshot system should be reworked / rolled back, the new update changelog does show some really important fixes and improvements. See here for another thread on the topic: /108/11/124278/1.html _____________________ Zi! (SuSE Linux 10.2, Kernel 2.6.13-15, AMD64 3200+, 2GB RAM, NVidia GeForce 7800GS 512MB (AGP), KDE 3.5.5, Second Life 1.13.1 (6) alpha soon beta thingie) Blog: http://ziree.wordpress.com/ - QAvimator: http://qavimator.org Second Life Linux Users Group IRC Channel: irc.freenode.org #secondlifelug
Turgar Nilsson Registered User Join date: 5 Oct 2005 Posts: 134	07-26-2006 02:24 personally.....I'd have loved ONE week off from a patch. After all the problems of last week, and the announcement that LL's were looking into less frequent updates, I thought this weeks usual downtime would have been cancelled.
Aodhan McDunnough Gearhead Join date: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 1,518	07-26-2006 02:31 From: someone New features: * Additional right-click functionality for inventory folders containing wearables "Add to Outfit" puts accessories on your avatar without removing existing ones * This is also activated by shift-dragging the folder onto your avatar "Replace Outfit" removes existing outfit and wears contents of folder "Take Off" removes ONLY worn items in the folder * Region/Estate and About Land now feature the option "Restricted Pushing" When pushing is restricted, only the following calls of llPushObject will succeed on the land: * Any push called against the owner of the scripted object * An object owned by the landowner * An object deeded (or Set) to the same group the land parcel is deeded (or Set) ** Region/Estate edits this setting on a per-region basis, not per-estate Other changes: * llPushObject() functionality can now be disabled on a parcel or region * Sounds triggered by muted residents are now muted * Change LOD scaling of Object Mesh Detail slider to be higher quality when it's set to maximum Bug fixes: * Banned users cannot be heard from your parcel * Texture tab and picker no longer preview textures on objects you don't own * Fixed a bug where color settings revert to black when changed from defaults For boldface, happy for those who were panicking. For the rest, happy happy. Most so for red stuff They still need to work on push options for avatars but the land options are a welcome relief. Goodbye to Griefers (part 1). _____________________ Aodhan's Forge shop at slurl.com/secondlife/Rieul/95/213/107
Dimitrio Lewis Aspergian Join date: 3 Oct 2005 Posts: 54	07-26-2006 02:43 Am I reading this announcement correctly? It sounds as though the Preview grid has only been updated with these new features mere hours before they are applied to the main grid? _____________________ Welcome to Second Life, where the men are Ruth, the women are Ruth, and the children are FBI agents (or actual children)
Aodhan McDunnough Gearhead Join date: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 1,518	07-26-2006 02:45 From: Dimitrio Lewis Am I reading this announcement correctly? It sounds as though the Preview grid has only been updated with these new features mere hours before they are applied to the main grid? I don't think all the new features are last minute additions, but some might be. _____________________ Aodhan's Forge shop at slurl.com/secondlife/Rieul/95/213/107
Raphael Rutherford Resident Resident Join date: 26 Mar 2004 Posts: 236	07-26-2006 04:09 This is insane, only a few hours of preview available before the release. And at a time where many is offline. I'll better plan for doing something else for the rest of the day, and probably for tomorrow too. Maybe I'll go get my taxi This is not exactly what I expected after Robins excusing letter, telling how they would improve testing. _____________________ Goodbye and thanks for all the prims.
Lewis Nerd Nerd by name and nature! Join date: 9 Oct 2005 Posts: 3,431	07-26-2006 04:53 From: Aodhan McDunnough They still need to work on push options for avatars but the land options are a welcome relief. Goodbye to Griefers (part 1) Would be more use to simply have an avatar setting push / be pushed on or off - this would mean that wherever you were, if you had push off, you couldn't use a weapon or be affected by anyone else with them. It might break a few elevators that used push, but the benefits far outweigh the problem. The best way to stop griefers... close the biggest loophole there is.... THE OPEN REGISTRATION SYSTEM. Lewis _____________________ Second Life Stratics - your new premier resource for all things Second Life. Free to join, sign up today! Pocket Protector Projects - Rosieri 90,234,84 - building and landscaping services
Jessica Elytis Goddess Join date: 7 Oct 2005 Posts: 1,783	07-26-2006 05:51 I approve of this actually. Good things to put in. LOTS of bug fixes (duh! They screwed up major last time). Bad points, however; -Need WAY WAY WAY more time testing before adding MORE options. Fixes yes, new things OH HELL NO!!!!! -No mention of the Pie Menu problem. R-Click as is is very annoying and potentially dangerous to losing items. This needs fixed or reverted back ASAP. -No mention of Camera Functions. I wonder if the Feature Implementation Team (I hope LL has one of those) even LOOKS at Resident feedback. My desires for future features; -BRING BACK PROOF OF IDENTIFICATION IN REGISTRATION -GIVE RESIDENTS THE ABILITY TO TURN OFF \|\|PUSH PER AVATAR REGUARDLESS OF WHAT LAND THEY ARE ON. For the combat sims, give a land options to dis-allow turning off push. Sort of like the heart we use now. -Give an option to use the old camera system. Also, do a study to find out if keeping the new system (and debugging it) is worth the time when so few even like it. -Move the LIBRARY in our inventory to it's own tab. With the addition of tabs in the inventory, why the hell is the Library still on our main list of items? ~Jessy _____________________ When your friend does somethign stupid: From: Aldo Stern Dude, you are a true and good friend, and I love you like the brother that my mom claims she never had, but you are in fact acting like a flaming douche on white toast with a side order of dickknob salsa..maybe you should reconsider this course of action and we go find something else to do.
VolatileWhimsy Bu Registered User Join date: 27 Jun 2006 Posts: 1,492	07-26-2006 05:56 From: Aodhan McDunnough For boldface, happy for those who were panicking. For the rest, happy happy. Most so for red stuff They still need to work on push options for avatars but the land options are a welcome relief. Goodbye to Griefers (part 1). Your joking on the goodbye to griefers aren't you? I think you guys are underestimating the school yard bully.. Never good to underestimate..
eltee Statosky Luskie Join date: 23 Sep 2003 Posts: 1,258	07-26-2006 06:28 From: Lewis Nerd Would be more use to simply have an avatar setting push / be pushed on or off - this would mean that wherever you were, if you had push off, you couldn't use a weapon or be affected by anyone else with them. It might break a few elevators that used push, but the benefits far outweigh the problem. There seemed to be alot of 'resistance' to that idea when it was brokered at one of the townhalls and on some of the linden blogs... they were much happier with a land owner setting, and frankly it should be mostly moot as i can't see anyone sane leaving push on, on their private land (since any possible push objects of theirs will still work fine) and pretty much every public area in SL will most likely be set nopush by dinnertime tonight. A per av setting would have 'enabled' cheating in specific combat sims/games, or some such, i duno... overall i'm just happy clicking one checkbox now provides 24/7/365 push protection for our guests but yes, overall: nopush, thank you restored detail thank you better folder/outfit management thank you muting muted idiot's sounds thank you chat color bug fix thank you texture picker more accurately reflecting, and limiting, to 'fair use' doctrines (things you have acquired some personal license to use/own) hey, thanks too, its not 100% ideal for either creators or users, but its a pretty good compromise. _____________________ wash, rinse, repeat
Burnman Bedlam Business Person Join date: 28 Jan 2006 Posts: 1,080	07-26-2006 06:33 From: Kalia Meiklejohn Thank god I'm not a paying player...or else I'd be downgrading with all these updates, bugs, etc... I'm premium, and the updates are a good thing. They squash the bugs, and offer new features. That's what I am paying for. There is no way to prevent all bugs from making it to a live server environment until it's there. SL is too complex a system to run perfectly after each update. This is common in all MMORPG's / 3D Multiuser Environments. Imagine what LL could develop if they had a larger budget from more premium subscriptions. But alas, too many people want a free indefinite ride. _____________________ Burnman Bedlam http://theburnman.com Not happy about Linden Labs purchase of XStreet (formerly SLX) and OnRez. Will this mean LL will ban resident run online shoping outlets in favor of their own?
Lynn Kukulcan Registered User Join date: 7 May 2006 Posts: 149	07-26-2006 06:56 I've learned that if you hold the right mouse button down, it becomes maneageable to use it. I've done it several times!
Duke Dunderdale Master Craftsman Join date: 17 Jul 2006 Posts: 30	07-26-2006 06:59 Problem... I can't log in to the preview grid. Keeps telling me my name and/or password is wrong and I know they're not. DO you have to makea different account for the preview grid??
Wanda Rich Registered User Join date: 22 Apr 2006 Posts: 320	07-26-2006 07:00 7am - no update. _____________________
ed44 Gupte Explorer (Retired) Join date: 7 Oct 2005 Posts: 638	07-26-2006 07:03 Hi Duke, They copied the ppl on the main grid some time ago. You should be ok for the next preview. Ed
Burnman Bedlam Business Person Join date: 28 Jan 2006 Posts: 1,080	07-26-2006 07:03 From: VolatileWhimsy Bu Your joking on the goodbye to griefers aren't you? I think you guys are underestimating the school yard bully.. Never good to underestimate.. Very true... and each new "fix" for a griefing issue, limits scripters who legitimately develop content using the tools griefers abuse. _____________________ Burnman Bedlam http://theburnman.com Not happy about Linden Labs purchase of XStreet (formerly SLX) and OnRez. Will this mean LL will ban resident run online shoping outlets in favor of their own?
Duke Dunderdale Master Craftsman Join date: 17 Jul 2006 Posts: 30	07-26-2006 07:05 From: ed44 Gupte Hi Duke, They copied the ppl on the main grid some time ago. You should be ok for the next preview. Ed So I'm outta luck for this preview? Bummer.
Raudf Fox (ra-ow-th) Join date: 25 Feb 2005 Posts: 5,119	07-26-2006 07:10 The no push restrictions in both about land and estate tools is a good thing. And I admit, the way it works sounds good in theory. I have one question.. does this mean that the no push blocks it if the weapon is fired from outside the parcel? (It's early for me, sorry if this sounds like a stupid question.) Bug fixes are always welcome. Always. And the return of true LOD is good, very, very, very good. _____________________ DiamonX Studios, the place of the Victorian Times series of gowns and dresses - Located at http://slurl.com/secondlife/Fushida/224/176 Want more attachment points for your avatar's wearing pleasure? Then please vote for https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1065?

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