Is LL really incompetent?

this is your hobby too remember, siggy? if you can make a little extra cash to buy some booze and pay your internet, that's a bonus.

sure we have businesses in sl... "GAME businesses." we're all smart enough to realize just because LL calls SL not a game doesn't make it not a game.

we pay game rates for the service. we don't pay LL professional rates for the service. people want LL to develop the platform for people's business and provide them with a healthy population of consumers. for 10 bucks a month! oh i rent a sim, so that's about 200 a month. half of that probably covers the lease on the server i don't think LL is charging enough to owe us the kind of "resident developer" directed enhancement of their game that we would like.

i would love to see all those cool things that are half finsihed get finished. but i'd rather see LL finish the stuff they need to finish to draw more people. so that SL keeps growing.

J - I think you should go back and read what I wrote again.. I am saying 'the way these things seem to be implimented is the same way I would on my hobby mud - not as a business'.

Yes for me this is a hobby - for LL it is THEIR business - just as Everquest is Sony's business - which means for THEM they should be developing it not as a hobbyist would - but as a professional would.

Games programmers are professionals too - they don't 'fart around' and half finish this and that.

The 'cool stuff' should be tempered with the finishing of half done feature - or your drawn new users will say 'wtf this is broken' and go the way of the dodo...

Ripply water is cool - to look at... but the draw of SL is the user made content - be you creator or consumer - and for that the functionality needs to be there.

Cause you can spend $1,000 a month - they are good salespeople?
I'm missing what they did to close the sale with you?
And how many others did just the opposite?
Once again, the ability to spend money is being equated with quality.

Mmmmm I got a new truck for Christmas this year. Its purdy and it takes me places The engine hasn't crashed once, it never fails to start, the seat is much more comfy than a desk chair, it's reliable and it takes me to real life buildings that sell rl food. Life is pretty good

Guess these sl sales ppl could of done a better job with me huh

sorry i misinterpreted your comment - "The difference is, that was my hobby with maybe 3 - 5 people joining in. It wasn't a buisness - and it wasn't treated like one." - to mean that you do not treat SL as a hobby for yourself. my bad.
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Mmmmm I got a new truck for Christmas this year. Its purdy and it takes me places The engine hasn't crashed once, it never fails to start, the seat is much more comfy than a desk chair, it's reliable

various Ford models are prone to ignite while parked, hours after being driven.

i hope it wasn't a ford.

Considering we are all are passionate about SL and/or the emergent community, doesn't that suggest that LL is succesful at what it does?

How much of the harsh criticism is really a result of a glutonous "I want this and I want it now! The customer is always right!" culture?

Games programmers are professionals too - they don't 'fart around' and half finish this and that.

i hope it wasn't a ford.

didn't the sl sales ppl do twice a good job with you?

Yes they do

It's human nature - stretch a project long enough and people's attention starts to wander. That's one of the curses of being a developer - everything drags for months and years. LL might have problems with that, working what, 4 years now on SL?

I'm the lead developer on an enterprise system that's 3 years in the making - it's a good job, we're making progress but god, some days I just can't look at the code anymore and want to go make music or something. That's why "developing products" in SL is such fun - you play with it for few days, maybe a week or two and then it's done and you can sell it or whatever.

Having said that, if LL has internal culture or motivation problems, it's something they have to solve for themselves and I won't cut them any slack because of that. Perhaps it's time for Philip to hire the hypno-toad again

i find LL to be very professional in how they operate. i think the problem is one of perception - perhaps LL has a research lab culture and thus are too open about things they are developing too early on with the rest of us. they could take a business approach and not publicize any their development projects unless they need feedback, are about to stress test them and then only under an ncnda agreement. i prefer their tekki-wikki-sox-and-sandals approach.

Yeah, funny how a place named Linden Lab acts like a research laboratory, isn't it?

Wasn't SL conceived, back in the dim reaches of pre-grid-history, when LL was looking to make virtual reality peripherals and needed a VR to periph with? I've heard this story before, but I've never had it confirmed...

Had not heard that.

Sounds like an illusion.

How much of the harsh criticism is really a result of a glutonous "I want this and I want it now! The customer is always right!" culture?

But SL is an entertainment service and not necessary. So I think the expectations are very high because it's hard to justify a hefty tier bill and hours of time spent scripting if policy change isn't going your way and you become a disgruntled customer.

scripting as a hobbiest and scripting as a developer are two different things. if it was the latter, SL would probably be licensed on seperate "develepors license" at a greatly inflated cost. right now all accounts are charged the same rate - the gamers rate.

what you're talking about is like buying that toy kitchen set and complaining that the muffins don't come out right. of course not! it's a 20 watt oven!

I understand your point, but SL doesn't charge casual gaming prices either. Look at all those private islands... almost 200USD a month.

buy my prefabs.

so it's not a casual game for some. it's still a pretty good bargain for leasing an opetron server with wads of RAM running an instance of self centred fantasy world to act out my carnal pixel pleasure.

I understand your point, but SL doesn't charge casual gaming prices either. Look at all those private islands... almost 200USD a month.

Not that much for a serious hobbyist. Hell, I used to spend that much on RPG material and Magic: The Gathering... and at least it's easier to cushion that hit in SL.