useless to us feature....but i guess it's profit for LL

I think it's a great idea, it gives everyone a chance to snag a piece of land that before only went to the fastest one to get there.

It'll also be a good L$ sink to get Ls off the market and stablize Lindex, since sales go to LL not to whoever boguht the land dirt cheap.

So who would these "scummier" land barons be? Do you have one in mind? Or is this just a word play to favor your argument?

Hiya Chip

Weedy, I think most of the community understands the difference between buying and reselling land (a reasonable business practice) and buying land simply with the intention of extorting others. What you do is legitimate business Weedy. Unfortunately, what others are doing with the same resources is very obviously not.

So yes, I think this isn't meant to harm legitimate business (although it might somewhat), but rather is meant as a bandaid to a really difficult situation.

As to selling the land back to people who already own land in a sim, perhaps more fair would be to offer it, in order, based on amount of land already owned in that sim? This, in most cases, would offer it to the person most committed to that sim already.

Charlie...let's take this back to square one.

The thread you started is called: useless to us feature....but i guess it's profit for LL

What may seem useless to you, is certainly not useless to me.

Secondly, you admit that this is a cash grab for LL.

It took me a long time to establish my business in SL. I conducted it at all times with decorum and fairness. I never claimed land that was unwillingly abandoned. In fact, I returned land on a regular basis because of errors, lover's spats, rogue officers etc.

My script was well written, tested and reviewed by some of the most respected scripters in SL and the Lindens themselves.

SL is based on economy and money changing hands. My business was very much a part of that system.

Now LL takes that away and grabs the money themselves, which flies in the face of everything they preach about attracting new users to SL and their recent PR campaign about doing business, basically, if your project works, there is a good chance they will co-opt it.

After tier and land fees, I barely made enough to cover rent and the odd night at the theater. I certainly was not getting rich quick, but was basically working long hours for minimum wage. What is wrong with that?

I was a working part of the economy...now that's gone.

LL can't keep up with the current auction system as it is, now they bite off more than the can chew. I hope they choke on it.

Very well thought out Trim, and well written, I don't really consider that a hijack, as my intention of this thread was a revisit of a few things in one. All of which we have convered so far in these posts (tho some more colorfully than others).

The "screw everyone else" comment was only half founded (as I like to at least have my own opinion at times) and really out of character to the rest of your post. If I feel differently than someone else I speak my thoughts. Sometimes I feel it to a point where I may "drive" it harder than I intend which may give the view of "hell with you all I want it my way". When it's really not the case.

I don't really have a problem with LL makin money. Thats a no brainer that they need to make a profit to keep the grid online and the company afloat. BUT

If they do not give us a balancing act ie. "tools" to block what we don't want to deal with ourself, and yet make a playground for those who chose to annoy. That is where I have issues.

I did not call for a "LL censoring content in world". I left that open really. I would like to see more tools given to the average user in conjunction to the current ways they deal with land releasals and AR's.

I was not specific in how or what. I am totally against content censoring and content "lynch mobs". I have never asked for Mr. Anti-Bush's walls to be removed. I have also not asked for Angel's flashy pillars of seizure and lag inducing flashyness to be removed (even tho in her land description it shows blatent abuse to her neighbors).

So to write up such a lengthy post on the premice that I am a "my way or no way" and/or all for censorship, is absurd and out of line. If any of my ramblings in previous posts point to that, I am sorry.

There is just a point to which I get a bit upset that certain things really go unvisited for so long that they get worse. IMO resident choice control has gone in a good and bad direction.

To be forced out of the mainland to a "community" sim, or whatnot in order to not have to deal with some crazy content such as 300m walls that flash at the property line is not a realistic "choice". A better choice (to which I been pointing to this whole time), would be more like the following:

Give people ways in which they don't have to view content they chose not to. Like as I have seen posted before in suggestions threads a way to "mute" more than just chat. Like mute a specific user's chat+objects+sounds+physical interactions.

Thats all...its that simple, I am not asking for every LL employee's first born, I am not asking for each and every landbaron/"service" provider's head.....

I simply think we ALL (not just me) need more anti-annoyance options.

I don't see how this censors anything? Bush guy (and others, I don't want to single anyone out) can still build whatever they want.

Are these abdanoned plots going to auctioned for lindens? If that is the case, LL won't be making money from these auctions directly. And it will provide another money sink.

Personally, I think it's great if it works as advertised. It means that everyone would have a more fair and equal shot to get abandoned land and another money sink is probably not a bad thing either.

Thx Weedy for a better reply hehe

I didn't claim you to be one of the more seedy types that spin a profit wheel on land.
I was actually a bit taken by your post I commented on, as some points I agreed with you on previously, just didn't elaborate on them. For the most part I agree with you. I just have trouble with the whole land thing in almost any aspect in SL as far as reselling.

Now if you do as it seems you do (please correct me if I am wrong and I am not meaning that negativly), you buy lands to undercut the more annoying profiteerish landresellers to actually give some people a more affordabl option, than thats a bit better to me than how I have seen that got under my skin. (I guess the if you can't beat em join em and cut their throats comes to mind there by way of undercutting hehe).

And a final thought, I totally get where you are comeing from on the GOM thing.......I so agree with that and rather not discuss it here (could seed ugly posts from others beyond what I normally get)

that wasn't ment to you hehe sry I have a serious problem of under quoteing

Yes, very important point.

I hold way less tier than the big barons, therefore, I am highly motivated to sell fast.

In doing so, I sell at less than market value. Rarely would land be in my tier for longer than 15 minutes. They entire community had access to my sales, because I used the "find" land sale list.

The land went from one tier, directly to another, then directly to another. It was streamlined. Moreover LL was "hands off". They got their money from me for the land sale and my tier. LL is in the business of selling tier.

Basically, it was a resident run system that wasn't broken.

Some posters are going on about "equal access". While it is true , to a point, the reality is, only a small percentage of residents pay any attention to the auctions. It's a cumbersome, time comsuming and unpredictable system. Whereas abandoned land, reappeared in the market place in an instant, more often than not, at lower than market value.

Honestly, Bush signs is the first think I thought when I saw this as well. His whole thing was grabbing little 16m plots and charging out the rear for them with his signs. Tier-wise, its a lot more expensive to carry the same amount of 512s. 16m plots are so small, what's the point in having them anyway besides to put up a single prim sign?

So therefore you are so not the types that I have a problem with usually Weedy

BTW Weedy pop me an inworld IM when we can get back online, I got a Q for you that I would rather yack about in real time and not here in the forums.

Man I need to adjust my sleep schedule to be asleep when the world is down....I get too much time to think....and thats dangerous.

Thank you Charlie, please accept my apology for reacting harshly, and yes I will IM you when the grid comes up.

I know nothing about you so I wasn't commenting on you. It doesn't matter how much of a Robin Hood you believe you are because as SL has well demonstrated most people don't give a crap about stepping on everyone else to get at the almighty $. My comments are based off the two land scanner systems I'm aware of.

Scale is a bigger problem with land scanners because it's a networked system that requires a mimimum of one object that can do some kind of global communication per sim, checking at a regular time period per person who wants to run a land scanner system. If any sizable amount of the population was using them you would have several hundred of them per sim.

I've seen this one, and I would guess that there are probably people out there who are using it.
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Also this feature has been planned for a long time. Quote from the last post in that thread(from 2004):

Does this mean there is a magic window of opportunity that I missed to be able to legitimately voice any such concern regardless of just WHEN they decide to implement a feature?

Yeah, pretty much. You've had over a year to you could have whined about this, but I guess that post was a bit hidden and it could certainly have been announced in a more visible way. I think however that it's a bit late to complain, since it's very unlikely that LL will change their mind about this now.

The good of the many, outweighs the good of the few, or the one.