OMG I want a little statue of me too!

My 3D printer does. In fact, it has to run in the shower, else the reactors overheat and the positron-pumps get all spikey - then the printer start outputting the wrong molecules, and I don't have to tell you how messy that can be.

Everyone I know still runs their machines primarily overnight. Because build volume is so limited, it's common practice for service bureaus to schedule the machine to run a full load of parts (as you're probably aware). I know I've waited on parts bc a bureau needed more pieces to run. But that was a few years ago now.

That said, I posted an entry yesterday which included mention of Materialise and took notice of their 24hr turnaround. They're probably getting a lot of business to keep their machines busy. Things are changing.

This is cool, but it'll still be some time before we can get AVaction figures of ourselves with accessories, bling, rocketpacks, and kung-fu grip.

Encouraging people to steal another person's builds is against the TOS.

Is SL going to shutdown Boing Boing? http://www.boingboing.net/2006/01/24/michael_frumins_scre.html
It's all over the internetz.

Or is jarod being ironic

BoingBoing, in their hipster glee of all things wonderful, failed to point out that OGLE completely bypasses permissions. Remember when Linden Lab nerfed individual prim editing because it could be used to copy someone's build verbatim? Well, OGLE allows the same thing and Linden Lab's turning a blind eye.

Jarod is trying to point out the problems that could arise from this before they do arise.

Edit: For the record, I did submit a link to BoingBoing about how GLIntercept could be used to bypass permissions. Thus far, it's not shown up.

Jarod's thread was locked yesterday after people, oddly absent from this thread, complained that he was promoting texture theft.

Considering that LL cconsidered protecting the inworld manufacturers important enough to nerf the building tool so that we can't examine prim settings, I'd say that they should at least assign a team to somehow blocking the ability of OGLE and GLIntercept from being able to extract this data.

If they can't, or won't, maybe they'll tell us up front and honestly so that we know where we stand. Personally, I don't think they should waste any more time with it. If Jarod captures my textures and starts selling them, it's my responsibility to catch him in the act, claim the copyright, file charges and go after him right? I don't see LL being involved in that at all other than maybe providing some upload dates as evidence.

No, LL can't shut down Boing Boing. They have no responsibility for third party data scraping. It's an offgrid activity and has to be handled by individual residents in an offgridded manner.

Of course, the difference is, when not intercepting 2D artwork, it doesnt matter. 3D intercepts aren't importable into SL... You would have to figureout how to prim it yourself. Just like you can already do just by looking at the object in SL.

Just got off the phone with an R&D project manager I know that had some generic information relevant to this. It looks as if the ZCorp (or one of their recent licensee partners making their own versions of those machines) offer - by far - the lowest cost option for non-functional models.

He indicated that he had purchased a batch of models about the size of, say, a hummel-sized figurine, for a cost that put individual units in the sub-$300 range. I don't know what kind of volume discount he received (or if it was built into some of the services being rendered), but it appears as if that's probably worth more investigation.

Additionally, people would be getting a raw part similar to that shown on the Eyebeam website, so they'd incur the costs of finishing it if they wanted to clean it up - which might be messy and require that they purchase some materials.

I've been raising the issue of piracy of 3D content for years (I might even have mentioned it previously on this forum). Since I make my living this way, it's near and dear to my means of living.

I offered up the Quake parts I pulled into CAD to Philip Torrone (of Make: ) when he was in SL, but without id's permission, I can't send anything, so... it sits.

GLIntercept does pull the 2D artwork along with the XML data. Individual prim settings are deciferable from the resulting files. Does the printer driver not use that data to assemble the final mesh? GLIntercept can be used to steal people's inworld material. That point was made and argued to the point of closing a thread yesterday. I didn't understand or agree with the arguments; but it really confuses me that it seems okay to reference it now.

I wonder if talking about all this really is a TOS violation.

Or has jarod just been picked on

Ah was not aware of that.

Yes, and I could steal textures with EZSnap too. But mentioning the program being used for legit uses is not promoting texture theft.



You could ask Adam Zaius for a better answer, but this is not my understanding. I was under the impression that GLIntercept only sees what gets sent to the video card... IE, it sees the data after it has been interperated into a mesh, not before.



See my first point.

I always thought that each prim was a mesh unto itself, hence our ability to edit individual prims in a linked build. If two linked prims got meshed together into one object, then how could we select one of those prims for editing? How could we move one prim from a linked structure without the other prims being warped?

You misunderstand what I was saying I think

Yes, each prim is a mesh in and of itself.

But GLIntercept sees the mesh, I believe, not the packet of data that tells oGL how to make that mesh. The data is the "prim" in the SL sense, and what would be useful in duplication. Intercepting the mesh wouldn't gain you anything... You can already see the mesh within Second Life.

I think.

Adam correct me if I'm wrong

Although if you want that, there's a few outfits that make custom action figures fairly reasonably (still a hundred bucks or two, but it's made like an actual action figure).

So I'm still downloading this puppy, but from the description I'm seeing this as a possible meta-format for describing our AVs that could possibly be imported to / between other virtual worlds, maybe, sometime in the indeterminate future?

CrystalShard, you out there?

(something we've talked about is the possibility that someday the Agni supercluster is but one of many, and that our AVs can travel between them -- this could be a step towards that?)

Jess

Yeah. I started a thread about this on another board. Figured it'd get picked up here sooner or later.

3D printers are really, really, REALLY cool stuff, but as Csven pointed out, they're still on the pricy side. Given the next five to ten years though, I suspect they'll become all the rage when they become cheap enough to set one up in the machine shop at home.


Someone pointed out up there that this "completely bypasses the permissions system." I think it's a good time to raise the point, once again, that DRM is a bit of a lost cause. The only way you're going to keep people honest is to incent them in the right ways to not steal your stuff.

I make my own 3D models in no small part for the future of 3D printing.

Telehubs proved that!

Huh? o.o

wrt to the details of what they're doing, people might want to look at the comments in my blog entry where the programmer indicates they've implemented something I've considered for some time - the ability to reverse engineer a high-rez model used to create normalmaps. You can read that entry here: http://blog.rebang.com/?p=590

wrt to DRM, I've thought long and hard about this issue especially as to how it applies to what I do for a living. There's basically no good solution. Everything - included rapid-manufactured parts that literally are made with the internals sealed inside a non-openable case - are vulnerable. Just use a different kind of scanning method to get the data you need (e.g. like how they scan people using x-rays and then create 3D models for joint replacement).

Forget protecting anything. Two things matter afaic: Reputation (which I got into on that long "Trademark" thread a while back) and finding ways to interact with people that buy your content (see my blog post discussing exactly this - http://blog.rebang.com/?p=571

I would be ready to pay the price needed to get a mini elka.

See, I am into designer vinyl toys (ex.: www.kidrobot.com) and this would quite be the realization of a dream. I always wanted to make viny toys but for that I needed rapid prototyping, and it was around 3000$ of what I heard in my searches. So 300$?! Fine!!

Pretty much. Fun caveat shall follow.

I bought an online casebook required for my class this semester at the Uni off Xanedu. Natively at the university I run a Linux (Mandriva) install.

Upon going to load my purchased cases, I'm presented with a dialog trumpetting "I must download the OpenFile plugin and be using Adobe Reader to access some of these files." Red flag number one. So I hit skip and go to the files.


What I find out is the reason all of that is necessary are half of my recently-purchased PDFs are DRM protected. The DRM plugin, of course, is distributed properly as an EXE only. I can, however, open the normal PDFs just fine.

So after much frustration and annoyance, I end up loading all of their crap to my Windows boot, screencapturing the PDFs, and importing them back to my native OS just so I can read for class.


The kicker is now I'm technically liable to the DRM manufacturer for breaking their copy protection, when all I wanted to do was read the stuff I purchased for class. So I'm a bit... annoyed at DRM.

I want to know how I can get my printer to make one of those figures. Do I put playdough in my printer and it will make a 3D model of my av? Any particular color that works best?

I assume you've gotten your hands on the rumored HP 3D Printer (inkjet technology applies here). If you have, I'd suggest you get in contact with HP.