This is why the new registration system sucks major ass.

you could also make the land no build and set just a small plot at the entrance clearly shown as an "unpacking" place like I have seen at KDC ... would prevent anybody from rezzing stuff in your shop and then just a sign at the entrance would be enough.

No it wouldn't, i think they are just using their own groups to give them any title they want. And if they use a prim with floating text that would not be stopped by no-script land. Once the text is set, it is a property of the prim, just like its size.

Gawd this sucks

As far as verification goes, I'm all for going back to having accounts be tied to credit cards for age verification/accountabilty, but I am opposed to a reimposition of limits on the number of alts. Any arbitrary number they come up with will be too few for some people, until such time that a deleted account is REALLY deleted and no-longer counts against total accounts.

-Ghoti

Good idea, although due to a lot of store owners giving out advertising & TOS notecards already there are probably quite a few shoppers who just keep or discard the notecard immediately which then closes it.

Perhaps using a notecard in conjunction with a pop-up dialog box would improve your chances of getting them to read the info... Or you could even go one further and use llLoadURL to give them the option of reading this thread themselves.


Sun.

The dialog box sounds like a better idea. I'll admit I rarely look at notecards thrown at me unsolicited. :\ But a li'l blue dialog box snags my attention in a flash.

I'd also like to point out that now that people know they can create as many alts as they'd like, some are behaving like complete assholes. I've had more random, fly-by verbal abuse (eg. fuck you, bitch, cunt..etc...) at me in the past 3 weeks that I have in my entire 2 years in Second Life. What do they care if they're banned? They'll just create another alt and carry on.

The same is true in regards to griefers.
Last weekend a few friends and myself were hanging when 3 grefers came along to do what they do cause grief.

We quickly responded by ejecting them from the land and banning them, within 5 mins 3 new ones showed with brand new birth days. YAY The system for accounts is working great.

I think I read some where else in the forums and Idea someone to ban accounts by age of the account. Based on this recent change I automatically suspicious of the intentions of any Avi with a recent birthday. Hardly seems fair but it is true none the less.

My experience s far with the new system has been around 1 in 5 new avis Ive encountered was actually a new player.

Oh well sorry to go on and on.

Remember , Oreo,s are the perfect food.

Karmi

I've had the same experience, Karmianna. Right now, the cap of 50 banned persons (?) on land looks like it's not high enough.


I'm suspicious of newbies too, and I'm very saddened by that. This is the first time I can ever remember, in ANY world, where I check a character's age before I talk to them, and even though I still give them the benefit of the doubt the fact remains: 100% of the problems I've personally seen in the last month came from people whose avatar was less than 5 days old.

I'm not the type to rant but I also think that the new registration scheme is a disaster (and that's a euphemism).

I'm all for getting new players to join SL. But this has just gone too far. It's one story of scam and abuse after the other.

I hope LL is reading this and seriously considering backtracking. Fast.

Wendel

I can't honestly say that experience shows proper apologies and admissions of failure are particularly forthcoming from Linden Labs.

An official Linden response is required over this issue - and fast.

Lewis

I was originally for the changes, because I had friends who wanted to join, but weren't comfortable sharing so much info online. BUT it took a little less than a week for me to reconsider my views. This is a NIGHTMARE. Ultimately, we're all helpless at this point. It'll be a never ending stream of scamming and stealing and griefing. My biggest fear is that some content creators will just get so fed up they'll give up and leave SL altogether. Then where will we be?

Agreed, it wouldn't stop them, but it would stop them setting up such an attachment when they were there... so it would help a little...

Remember the old thread started by Vashuda Linden about jobs in SL? Looks like LL listened to that advice, since now people will need real sales/store force to combat such scams.

BIG FAT BUMP

Just... Because I can (and it's a really important topic!)

Did not notice in my scan of the thread.... but how do these "Mangagers" display their Group Titles? I would assume any real Manager/Employee would be wearing the appropriate Group title/tag while on duty. If not, shame on the owner.

Personally, if I did not know the store owner / manager and was approached as described, I would request that they put on their Store Group title/tag for verification. Plus, I might also check their profile closely to verify they are an Officer (or at least a bonafide member) of the store group.

Sorry, if I missed similar posts in this thread.

Another thread or two:

- Another rant thread, which I linked here. /108/0a/114951/1.html
- Burke's Police Thread, related to this all: /108/2b/114941/1.html

MM

Anyone can create a new group for 100L with some variation of the store name in it and make the title whatever they want. Like 'Some Store's Managers' or 'The Some Store's Managers' or 'The Some Store Management Team', etc, etc. It'll get disbanded after 3 days if only one person is in it, but by then they'll probably be needing a new account anyway. The group title means nothing.

Here's the sign I put in my store after I read this thread.. from now on I'm checking the owner of the vendor before I buy something.. usually you can find the owner of the store's name somewhere posted in the store.. make sure it's the same name on the vendor!

"As a precaution, please make sure you are paying into the Turn-Key Vendor owned by Rowan Carroll. And the only sales in this store are from the vendors on the walls. Please, if anyone offers you "discounts" on my merchandise, be aware that this is a new scam and they WILL take your money and run!
Take care and be ware

Rowan Carroll"

Just signed up a week ago and unfortunately, I haven't been around too many stores to realize that most of them don't hire staff so I paid BATISTA PLASMA and he just disappeared.

Oh well, what a welcome. At least now I know better. He also had the label "Store Manager" hovering over him.

Sadly I think this situation isnt caused by the free signups so much as the loss of any money resulting from signing up to. However the loss of money was to balance out the free accounts but i gotta wonder how it was pushed thru. Also ultimately if people want to buy money in SL they need to provide some kind of credit information regardless if its 3rd party or not.

We run into the problem of newbies not having money now at all. I think this situation itself needs to be addressed as it will cause newer players to become more likely to be scammers etc if they have no way to become involved. All cutting the money managed to do was take away new sign up's introducition to the economy. While it was wishful thinking that these newer players would sign up for premium accoutns or buy alot of L that is unlikely the case in the situation.

Things will happen here and there and greifers are going to come into SL wether we want them or not. I dont support no verification but i can see why it was done. However understanding why it was done and it being done and being right or wrong are totally devoid of the situation. This would of been likely to happen at somepoint regardless of how things ended up just sad that it really did =/.