Is this guy selling freebies on SLX?
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elka Lehane
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07-25-2006 09:15
From: Moridin Unsung Well Merlyn again you seem to NEED to hunt and kill! I just hope that you don't hunt and kill the wrong person. For anyone NOT in the know........ THIS is Merlyn: http://slcaveatemptor.blogspot.com/ and Wrong! This is not hers. Way too polite to be, hers is more like "you dumd bitch" etc... 
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eltee Statosky
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From experience...
07-25-2006 10:21
SL exchange has essentially some of the worst support i've seen. When someone was *fradulently* claiming to sell something i've made (the item was no transfer, they were only able to 'list' the help notecards that came with it) they actually yelled at *ME* and told me to register so i could put up a 'complaint' on the page so that people wouldn't be ripped off.
Hello? if you *KNOW* people are being ripped off, have the power to remove that entry, and expressly refuse to, does that not imply that you are complicit with that?
So no, slexchange does not care, will not care, and its pretty much fine if anyone rips off players there with outright lies, or just dishonest reselling of previously free items, etc. They just want their few percent, and honestly don care.
P.S. any time they actually do want to improve their image, those items are *STILL* listed, still ripping people off who then come to *ME* for support, and could very very easily be removed. A quick mouse click could easily stop alot of people from bein frustrated/angry.
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Syrrh Hurnung
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07-25-2006 11:37
Disclaimer: I don't sell on SLX/SLB. I've bought two items from them, ever.
Eltee, your best solution is not to register on SLX and complain. Tell all the stiffed customers to do it! They already have an account and they have greater numbers behind them to drive the fraudster out. If you want to help out, you can give them a sympathetic discount to buy the real thing, but this isn't your fault so you aren't obligated.
As for overcharging on freebies, it can't be helped. What do you expect the site ops to do, check every single item that goes up for sale? To see if they can think of a free alternative? To ask around if there's another product it's ripping off? Do you expect merchants to give away copies of all their stuff so it can be examined and picked apart first, even if the admins had the time to deal with that?
It's distasteful, but the only real alternative is to make free stuff more visible. Post a URL or in-world coordinates in the seller's reviews; you get the added benefit of raising awareness for that particular item until the sale gets pulled. This is not a situation where more policing will help, when the USERS have the ability to make a difference and fail to. Market forces prevent me from selling a pack up gum for $20, they should also be used to control prices on things that should be negligible.
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Juro Kothari
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07-25-2006 11:49
LL needs to implement some means of keeping free items free for life. The creator should be able to have the object remain free *and* distributable, if they so choose.
Selling freebies is for the no-talent bottom feeders.
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Mhaijik Guillaume
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Not just the cute red vehicle - he even has the Picnic blanket for sale !
07-25-2006 11:52
see - freebie blanketAdd the option to post for removal, items that are freebies. Granted though I do not know every single free item available in SL - I just noticed the Blanket because it is so blatant.
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Wildefire Walcott
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07-25-2006 12:01
Yes, many freebies there. Funny thing is he protects his own interests by "watermarking" the online versions of the images he's selling, even though I'm 99.999% certain he's not the copyright holder.
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Juro Kothari
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07-25-2006 12:08
There are two items up there that are definately not his creation: the hot tub (made by Siggy) and the X-Flight (forget who makes it).
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Ordinal Malaprop
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07-25-2006 12:08
Is there anything on there which *isn't* a freebie? Twelve pages of them! Hoverboard, "FIC YOU" t-shirt, X-Flight... surely having X-Flight there is a blatant contravention as that's been explicitly stated as not for resale.
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Merlyn Bailly
owner, AVALON GALLERIA
Join date: 7 Sep 2005
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07-25-2006 12:16
From: Phedre Aquitaine Do some googling of "Merlyn Bailly". The number of threads calling her out for her general 'tude is enlightening.
Merlyn, while I think freebie reselling is awful, the scattershot way you go off doesn't help either. You know, I put alot of work into a webpage that reviews new products posted in the NP forums and on the webvendor sites like SLX. I provide, in so doing, a free service to the SL community, and ALOT OF FREE ADVERTISING. I'm not paid a single fucking LInden for this. Given the amount of fuss raised by OTHER PEOPLE, INCLUDING MANY OF THE MAJOR CREATORS IN SL, this idea that I'm "witch-hunting" is ASININE. I posted a perfectly polite question, and I get roasted over the fucking coals. fuck you all. find your own shit from now on.
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Syrrh Hurnung
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07-25-2006 13:38
Ooookay... Moving right along.
Selling free items isn't something the Lindens can/should be watching, it's no priority when compared with copyright issues that are acutally costing someone money. You *can* keep your free stuff from being redistributed, just make sure owners know where it came from so they can tell their friends, and then pinch the permissions to be unmoddable. Not reasonable? Welcome to the conundrum of open source.
If you're mad about free things being sold, hit the leech where it hurts- Plop down the free thing within sight of theirs, and they'll still have to pay for merchant space for something that is now worthless.
To make it *very* short and blunt- Stop complaining about how 'someone should do something' when you can fix the scammer's arse yourself.
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eltee Statosky
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07-25-2006 13:49
From: Syrrh Hurnung Disclaimer: I don't sell on SLX/SLB. I've bought two items from them, ever. Eltee, your best solution is not to register on SLX and complain. Tell all the stiffed customers to do it! They already have an account and they have greater numbers behind them to drive the fraudster out. If you want to help out, you can give them a sympathetic discount to buy the real thing, but this isn't your fault so you aren't obligated. As for overcharging on freebies, it can't be helped. What do you expect the site ops to do, check every single item that goes up for sale? To see if they can think of a free alternative? To ask around if there's another product it's ripping off? Do you expect merchants to give away copies of all their stuff so it can be examined and picked apart first, even if the admins had the time to deal with that? Nah but i do expect once the fact that the sale is fradulent/a scam has been *acknowledged* by the site's operators/support that they at least pretend to actually do something about it, for the good of their own image if nothing else. It would be sort of like ebay saying 'yes we know this person is not going to ship you a laptop but infact is going to ship you a piece of paper with 'ibook' written on it, like his last 37 auctions that you showed us, but we don't care, if you don't like it, why don't you post a negative comment on his profile?' Theres a fine line between just not having the time to address a problem's existance, and actually knowing/seeing the problem when its been pointed out, and not caring, and slexchange, has made amply clear on which side of that line they stand
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katykiwi Moonflower
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07-25-2006 14:04
From: Merlyn Bailly I posted a perfectly polite question, and I get roasted over the fucking coals. fuck you all. find your own shit from now on. No, you repeatedly make irresponsible accusations, making yourself a self appointed police presence. You have accused other members of theft and named names based on your mere opinion or supposition. Just because you phrase your accusations politely does not make it right. Your repeated accusations are extremely offensive and amount to a public witch hunt.
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Phedre Aquitaine
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07-25-2006 14:38
I didn't require you to find anything for me in the FIRST place, tyvm, Merlyn.
Stop tantruming. Just because you found one bad one doesn't excuse the accusations and flat-out rudeness you trot out here all the goddamned time.
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Willow Zander
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07-25-2006 14:40
From: Phedre Aquitaine I didn't require you to find anything for me in the FIRST place, tyvm, Merlyn.
Stop tantruming. Just because you found one bad one doesn't excuse the accusations and flat-out rudeness you trot out here all the goddamned time. You've totally made her take down the entire content of her site now with a big FUCK YOU ALL theme to it instead now! YOU TOTAL MEANIE! (K, done trolling now)
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Phedre Aquitaine
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07-25-2006 14:44
I was able to access it maybe once in the entire time I've known about it.
She came to my attention first by basically saying anyone who had a gun in SL was immature and stupid.
Then she insulted a co-Caledonian and basically accused her of pandering to pervs...
So she can go stomp her wee feet all she likes. I bit my tongue long enough because a mutual friend spoke up for her, but ffs.
Enough's enough. It's not like anyone asked her to crusade.
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Syrrh Hurnung
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07-25-2006 15:13
From: eltee Statosky Nah but i do expect once the fact that the sale is fradulent/a scam has been *acknowledged* by the site's operators/support that they at least pretend to actually do something about it, for the good of their own image if nothing else. It would be sort of like ebay saying 'yes we know this person is not going to ship you a laptop but infact is going to ship you a piece of paper with 'ibook' written on it, like his last 37 auctions that you showed us, but we don't care, if you don't like it, why don't you post a negative comment on his profile?' Theres a fine line between just not having the time to address a problem's existance, and actually knowing/seeing the problem when its been pointed out, and not caring, and slexchange, has made amply clear on which side of that line they stand Personally, I think it might be nice if they did pull items that merely appeared to be ripoffs. It's hard to tell if something is an exact replica or not, but getting an item delisted from the site isn't the end of the world, it just means the seller has to find another venue. Realistically, SLX/SLB are businesses and they're going to hesitate to throw sales out like that, but in your case I think there should be enough angry buyers to eject the seller. I don't really know what can be done to resolve the problem beyond adding a line like 'SLExchange supports fraud and I won't sell there' to your store's info notecards. Maybe after enough bad press they'll start to turn around. For those who aren't on SLX, the freebie issue is being discussed there already, if you're interested it wouldn't hurt to sign up and join in directly.
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Merlyn Bailly
owner, AVALON GALLERIA
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07-25-2006 19:42
From: katykiwi Moonflower No, you repeatedly make irresponsible accusations, making yourself a self appointed police presence. You have accused other members of theft and named names based on your mere opinion or supposition. Just because you phrase your accusations politely does not make it right. Your repeated accusations are extremely offensive and amount to a public witch hunt. I ASKED A POLITE FUCKING QUESTION, YOU FUCKWITTED BITCH.
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Juro Kothari
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07-25-2006 19:49
From: Merlyn Bailly FUCKWITTED BITCH What exactly is that? I'm trying to get a mental picture, but the best I can come up with is Bette Midler crossed with Courtney Love.
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Yiffy Yaffle
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07-25-2006 19:50
From: FlipperPA Peregrine I've been finding more and more of these people on SLBoutique (and shutting them down immediately, of course). It saddens me.
We're pondering making a few changes to the code to ensure that the creations a person is selling are created by them. There are a few cases on SLBoutique where people are re-selling others' creations with permission and this would lock them out from doing so, which is a shame... but like LL, we simply don't have the time to babysit these children.
Regards,
-Flip Thats a good idea please do this, also SLX please do this too... I use both for my vendor and shopping. ;p
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Ryan00 Odets
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07-25-2006 20:25
From: Phedre Aquitaine I was able to access it maybe once in the entire time I've known about it.
She came to my attention first by basically saying anyone who had a gun in SL was immature and stupid.
Then she insulted a co-Caledonian and basically accused her of pandering to pervs...
So she can go stomp her wee feet all she likes. I bit my tongue long enough because a mutual friend spoke up for her, but ffs.
Enough's enough. It's not like anyone asked her to crusade. I agree totally! In the time I have been reading the forums I have seen so many posts about stuff that is suppose to be the biggest POS in game, yet she also stated she cant get in game because her dinoputer was outdated by a previous update. So how can you make assumptions about something if you cant see it in world? I mean pictures speak thousands of words but I would rather see it first hand then make a statement about it.
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Allana Dion
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07-25-2006 20:46
From: Merlyn Bailly You know, I put alot of work into a webpage that reviews new products posted in the NP forums and on the webvendor sites like SLX. I provide, in so doing, a free service to the SL community, and ALOT OF FREE ADVERTISING. I'm not paid a single fucking LInden for this.
Given the amount of fuss raised by OTHER PEOPLE, INCLUDING MANY OF THE MAJOR CREATORS IN SL, this idea that I'm "witch-hunting" is ASININE.
I posted a perfectly polite question, and I get roasted over the fucking coals.
fuck you all. find your own shit from now on. It's not what you do, it's how you do it. It's not what you say, it's how you say it. Honestly, I think you did find an actual (in my opinion) thief in this instance, but few people are going to take you seriously because so many simply don't want to listen to you anymore. The way you speak to people is what makes them not want to hear what you say. Take a look at your own words sometime. Would you want to listen to someone who sounded so hostile all the time? As to your products review on your website, I don't see free advertising, I see more hostility. At least I did the last time I read it. I saw in quite a few places you openly insulted someone's work, another person's profesionalism, mocked someone else for not sending the right type of picture. As I read it I remember thinking "I hope none of these people asked her to review them" and "I hope she never tries reviewing my work, no ty". Have you ever heard the expression, you catch more flies with honey....etc.?
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Allana Dion
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07-25-2006 20:49
From: Syrrh Hurnung If you're mad about free things being sold, hit the leech where it hurts- Plop down the free thing within sight of theirs, and they'll still have to pay for merchant space for something that is now worthless. . I did that. I set down my own prims in a freebie resellers store/yard sale/whatever, with the items she was selling (MY items) for hundreds of L$ and I priced them at 0L$, setting the boxes right next to her vendor. I got an IM from her informing me she was ARing me. I never heard anything about it but apparently I was ARed. 
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Allana Dion
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07-25-2006 20:53
From: katykiwi Moonflower No, you repeatedly make irresponsible accusations, making yourself a self appointed police presence. You have accused other members of theft and named names based on your mere opinion or supposition.
Just because you phrase your accusations politely does not make it right. Your repeated accusations are extremely offensive and amount to a public witch hunt.
From: Merlyn Bailly I ASKED A POLITE FUCKING QUESTION, YOU FUCKWITTED BITCH. Seriously, not attacking you here, offering a suggestion. Stop Take a deep breath Calm down Re-read both quotes Now ask yourself, who appears the more rational person here?
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Fade Languish
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07-25-2006 21:21
From: Ryan00 Odets I agree totally! In the time I have been reading the forums I have seen so many posts about stuff that is suppose to be the biggest POS in game, yet she also stated she cant get in game because her dinoputer was outdated by a previous update. So how can you make assumptions about something if you cant see it in world? I mean pictures speak thousands of words but I would rather see it first hand then make a statement about it. That's what I wondered. I can't see how that is fair to the creator. I also question the motivations of a person who can't even log on to SL, but continues to launch witch hunts and only ever seems to post to belittle someone. It's not a polite question, when your question has the effect of publicly accusing someone without actual evidence. And it's not a service when you trash someone's product, without even doing them the courtesy of actually seeing the product.
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elka Lehane
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07-25-2006 21:32
From: Allana Dion It's not what you do, it's how you do it. It's not what you say, it's how you say it. Honestly, I think you did find an actual (in my opinion) thief in this instance, but few people are going to take you seriously because so many simply don't want to listen to you anymore. The way you speak to people is what makes them not want to hear what you say. Take a look at your own words sometime. Would you want to listen to someone who sounded so hostile all the time? As to your products review on your website, I don't see free advertising, I see more hostility. At least I did the last time I read it. I saw in quite a few places you openly insulted someone's work, another person's profesionalism, mocked someone else for not sending the right type of picture. As I read it I remember thinking "I hope none of these people asked her to review them" and "I hope she never tries reviewing my work, no ty".
Have you ever heard the expression, you catch more flies with honey....etc.? Amen Allana! And all that "fuck you fuck you fuck you bitch bitch bitch" is SO not helping anyone and neither considered a rational opinion, how can you even DARE to want us to take you seriously anymore, and how can you DARE calling yourself a journalist? Seriously, dig a hole and hide, we'll be fine. It's getting old.
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