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Reitsuki Kojima
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03-27-2006 23:27
From: bella Ophelia
yes it is disturbing that I had my vagina played with by a grown man from the time I was about 2 years old until I got my period...


Tragic. I mean that truely, having also been the victim of this type of crap, although NOT, I thank my lucky stars, to anywhere near the level you apparently have been, I can sympathise.

HOWEVER

That does not give you a more advantageous fulcrum in the level of logic.

From: bella Ophelia
Fuck you and all your friends who want to protect these monster's right to fantasize about what I went through.


Thank you.

People doing that would indeed be monsters. The problem is, you have not, yet, shown us these people.
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I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
Fenrir Reitveld
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03-27-2006 23:29
From: bella Ophelia
I think that simply some of the responses to threads here that are merely concerned with the crime of paedophilia will be enough to work with. I'm a bisexual liberal who couldn't say a single thing in defence of the current presidential administration and yet some of the behavior and attacks I've experienced here are making me reconsider what I've held dear to my heart my entire adult life.

I'll say it right now, I hate Fox News... but Ill be damned if they don't return phone calls!

I see. The time for rational discourse is over with, then.

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bella Ophelia
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03-27-2006 23:29
From: Reitsuki Kojima
Do you think any ideas were being effectively communicated in those threads past page 16?

All I saw was you or your proxy repeating almost the exact same lines, verbaitim, post after post, and people refuting your same lines, again almost verbaitim, post after post.

How is that effective communication of ideas?


How about the notion that even normal people reading these posts are defending attacks on me by obvious paedophiles?

In fighting any battle you have to stay firm and defend your ground.
Sensual Casanova
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03-27-2006 23:30
From: bella Ophelia
yes it is disturbing that I had my vagina played with by a grown man from the time I was about 2 years old until I got my period...

Fuck you and all your friends who want to protect these monster's right to fantasize about what I went through.


Bella, I am truley sorry to hear that has happen to you... for the record I don't defend the idea of it going on in SL, but I think of it this way, there are movies about this stuff, movies about rape and murder.. it's not ilegal, why is that any different then RP in SL?
Reitsuki Kojima
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03-27-2006 23:31
From: bella Ophelia
How about the notion that even normal people reading these posts are defending attacks on me by obvious paedophiles?


What obvious pedophiles?

Point to one please.

Any one.

I'll wait.

From: bella Ophelia
In fighting any battle you have to stay firm and defend your ground.


Sure. It doesn't mean you're going to win, or you're right, however.
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I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
Elspeth Withnail
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03-27-2006 23:32
From: bella Ophelia
yes it is disturbing that I had my vagina played with by a grown man from the time I was about 2 years old until I got my period...

Fuck you and all your friends who want to protect these monster's right to fantasize about what I went through.


Hi, bella. I'm sorry to admit that my putting you on Ignore lasted less than one day... it seemed pretty pointless, what with all the people quoting you, anyway.

I'm Abuse Reporting you, I'm now encouraging everyone else to AR you, and can anyone tell me if a resident can make a formal request to have someone banned?
Lorelei Patel
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03-27-2006 23:32
From: bella Ophelia
yes it is disturbing that I had my vagina played with by a grown man from the time I was about 2 years old until I got my period...

Fuck you and all your friends who want to protect these monster's right to fantasize about what I went through.


But you just *can't* control someone else's thoughts, short of, perhaps, brainwashing and reeducation camps. Can't be done! Your psychology training should have tought you that.

Look, you can spend all your time and energy jousting at windmills or you can try to get something done.

Pixels on a screen do not need your protection.

Kids do.

Kids are not here in SL (they shouldn't be anyhow). You'll find them in multitudes out in the real world, though. Hop to! Put your effort where it matters.
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bella Ophelia
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03-27-2006 23:39
From: Reitsuki Kojima
Tragic. I mean that truely, having also been the victim of this type of crap, although NOT, I thank my lucky stars, to anywhere near the level you apparently have been, I can sympathise.

HOWEVER

That does not give you a more advantageous fulcrum in the level of logic.



Thank you.

People doing that would indeed be monsters. The problem is, you have not, yet, shown us these people.


No survivor of the holocaust would attack a person asking for sensitivity about the holocaust, no African American would attack a person asking for sensitivity about race relations and no survivor of sexual abuse would defend a person's right to fantasize about child molestation... twist it around all you want and see if you can get rational people to agree with your sick ideas... the truth rings out for rational people.

Anyone can pretend to be concerned about the issue but as you can see by the attacks I've endured here it takes some strength to fight the battle against those defending it.
prak Curie
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03-27-2006 23:39
From: bella Ophelia
In fighting any battle you have to stay firm and defend your ground.
.
From: someone

Half a league, half a league,
Half a league onward,
All in the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.
'Forward, the Light Brigade!
Charge for the guns!' he said:
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.

'Forward, the Light Brigade!'
Was there a man dismay'd ?
Not tho' the soldier knew
Some one had blunder'd:
Their's not to make reply,
Their's not to reason why,
Their's but to do and die:
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.

Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon in front of them
Volley'd and thunder'd;
Storm'd at with shot and shell,
Boldly they rode and well,
Into the jaws of Death,
Into the mouth of Hell
Rode the six hundred.

Flash'd all their sabres bare,
Flash'd as they turn'd in air
Sabring the gunners there,
Charging an army, while
All the world wonder'd:
Plunged in the battery-smoke
Right thro' the line they broke;
Cossack and Russian
Reel'd from the sabre-stroke
Shatter'd and sunder'd.
Then they rode back, but not
Not the six hundred.

Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon behind them
Volley'd and thunder'd;
Storm'd at with shot and shell,
While horse and hero fell,
They that had fought so well
Came thro' the jaws of Death,
Back from the mouth of Hell,
All that was left of them,
Left of six hundred.

When can their glory fade?
O the wild charge they made!
All the world wonder'd.
Honour the charge they made!
Honour the Light Brigade,
Noble six hundred!

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-prak
bella Ophelia
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03-27-2006 23:41
From: Elspeth Withnail
Hi, bella. I'm sorry to admit that my putting you on Ignore lasted less than one day... it seemed pretty pointless, what with all the people quoting you, anyway.

I'm Abuse Reporting you, I'm now encouraging everyone else to AR you, and can anyone tell me if a resident can make a formal request to have someone banned?


Thank you for the head's up, mister.
prak Curie
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03-27-2006 23:41
From: bella Ophelia
Fuck you and all your friends who want to protect these monster's right to fantasize about what I went through.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/185715133X
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Reitsuki Kojima
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03-27-2006 23:43
From: bella Ophelia
No survivor of the holocaust would attack a person asking for sensitivity about the holocaust, no African American would attack a person asking for sensitivity about race relations and no survivor of sexual abuse would defend a person's right to fantasize about child molestation... twist it around all you want and see if you can get rational people to agree with your sick ideas... the truth rings out for rational people.


By rational people, you mean people who agree with you.

Therefor, anyone who doens't agree with you is completley irrational.

Great arguement there.

I believe, in the course of this one thread, you have told me to fuck myself, indirectly called me a liar, and called my ideas (and by extension me) sick. Possibly, if I wasn't being generous, you have also called me a pedophile. I, on the other hand, have commited the great sin of not agreeing with you.

Who's comming up on the rosey side of the score card here?

I ask again:

What pedophile has attacked you in this thread?


Point to him.

Hell, give a post number.

I'm waiting.
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I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
Elspeth Withnail
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03-27-2006 23:44
For those not familiar with the Charge of the Light Brigade, the real event that the poem was based upon, they were following foolish orders, entered combat with no chance of winning whatsoever, and were slaughtered to a man.
bella Ophelia
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03-27-2006 23:44
From: Lorelei Patel
But you just *can't* control someone else's thoughts, short of, perhaps, brainwashing and reeducation camps. Can't be done! Your psychology training should have tought you that.

Look, you can spend all your time and energy jousting at windmills or you can try to get something done.

Pixels on a screen do not need your protection.

Kids do.

Kids are not here in SL (they shouldn't be anyhow). You'll find them in multitudes out in the real world, though. Hop to! Put your effort where it matters.


My education in psychology showed very clearly that there are ways of spotting criminal behavior before the crime s commited. Until they commit it, the law can do nothing. But as a community it is our responsibility not to provide them with playgrounds to congregate and trade ideas on how to better get past the written laws.
Allana Dion
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03-27-2006 23:45
bella isn't capable of really hearing what anyone has to say unless she's absolutely certain they agree with her on every point, so my thoughts here are directed at those who may still be hovering on the fence.

There are without a doubt real children sneaking into this adult game and since children are trying to BE adults they're not too likely to be dressing as babies. Its the real children playing at being adults in an adult environment we should be more concerned with as it's an actual problem with an actual solution.

There are without a doubt real predators in SL too just as there are in RL and any other virtual world... they exist everywhere. The problem is, they hide. They're not the ones out there displaying themselves for all to see, they're the ones lurking in the shadows where we can't see them. So while we're all blowing steam out of our ears throwing fits over playacting that upsets us, they're busily targetting that 12 yr old on the dance pole pretending to be 20.

Focus on the problem that has an actual solution. Stop looking for pretend crimes and keep your eyes peeled for the real ones. Pay attention to that stripper you know who speaks and acts a little too immaturely. Keep an eye on that guy next to you who seems awfully fond of her. And when the day comes one of them slips, call a linden, report a real crime and watch something be done about it..... Then you've accomplished something.
prak Curie
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03-27-2006 23:45
From: Reitsuki Kojima
Point to him.

Or her.

It may be less likely but please do not just assume.
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Reitsuki Kojima
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03-27-2006 23:46
From: bella Ophelia
But as a community it is our responsibility not to provide them with playgrounds to congregate and trade ideas on how to better get past the written laws.


Which is a topic I would agree with.

It is not, however, the topic you have been crusading to date.
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I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
Reitsuki Kojima
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03-27-2006 23:46
From: prak Curie
Or her.

It may be less likely but please do not just assume.


I'm old-fashioned. I use "he" as a gender neutral pronoun when nothing else is known.

Although, Bella has said that anyone who disagrees with her cannot be a woman, so...
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I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
Elspeth Withnail
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03-27-2006 23:47
From: bella Ophelia
Thank you for the head's up, mister.


You're quite welcome. I'll AR you every time you post graphically offensive material, or attack anyone, from here on out, too.
bella Ophelia
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03-27-2006 23:47
From: Reitsuki Kojima
By rational people, you mean people who agree with you.

Therefor, anyone who doens't agree with you is completley irrational.

Great arguement there.

I believe, in the course of this one thread, you have told me to fuck myself, indirectly called me a liar, and called my ideas (and by extension me) sick. Possibly, if I wasn't being generous, you have also called me a pedophile. I, on the other hand, have commited the great sin of not agreeing with you.

Who's comming up on the rosey side of the score card here?

I ask again:

What pedophile has attacked you in this thread?


Point to him.

Hell, give a post number.

I'm waiting.


I've stated clearly my position. You state yours clearly and then let's address thet differences.

do you think it is okay for adults to pretend to rape children inside SL?
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03-27-2006 23:48
From: bella Ophelia
no survivor of sexual abuse would defend a person's right to fantasize about child molestation...


I am, and I defend anyone's right to fantasize about whatever they want. Fantasy does not equal action. If you harm no one else, its none of my goddamn business what you do, be it in your head, the privacy of your own home, or with a consenting adult partner. Period.

Quit speaking for others, quit putting words in other people's mouths, and quit making this all about yourself and what happened to you. Take responsibility for your own life, get some help, and quit projecting your unsolved issues onto others. In the end, you're responsible for yourself and how you deal with what happens to you.
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Lorelei Patel
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03-27-2006 23:49
From: bella Ophelia
My education in psychology showed very clearly that there are ways of spotting criminal behavior before the crime s commited. Until they commit it, the law can do nothing. But as a community it is our responsibility not to provide them with playgrounds to congregate and trade ideas on how to better get past the written laws.


Do you really imagine that anyone who thinks a thing will actually commit it? I thought about strangling my boss today. Maybe you should lock me up — just in case.

People might fantasize about doing any number of things that, if carried out, would be against the law. That is not license to persecute them before the fact. And how, by the way, do you know that there is any sort of conspiring going on?

Again, if you really want to protect kids, then protect KIDS, not pixels. Check out perverted-justice.com for example. You'll find people there that do more than look at cartoons.
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prak Curie
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03-27-2006 23:49
From: Elspeth Withnail
For those not familiar with the Charge of the Light Brigade, the real event that the poem was based upon, they were following foolish orders, entered combat with no chance of winning whatsoever, and were slaughtered to a man.

I do so love a happy ending.
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Reitsuki Kojima
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03-27-2006 23:51
From: bella Ophelia
do you think it is okay for adults to pretend to rape children inside SL?


Define "okay"?

If it's done in private, and all parties are consenting adults, I don't think it's anyone elses buisness, if that's what you mean.

Would I want to see it, be around it, or know anyone who practiced it? Absolutely not.
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I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
bella Ophelia
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03-27-2006 23:52
From: Allana Dion
bella isn't capable of really hearing what anyone has to say unless she's absolutely certain they agree with her on every point, so my thoughts here are directed at those who may still be hovering on the fence.

There are without a doubt real children sneaking into this adult game and since children are trying to BE adults they're not too likely to be dressing as babies. Its the real children playing at being adults in an adult environment we should be more concerned with as it's an actual problem with an actual solution.

There are without a doubt real predators in SL too just as there are in RL and any other virtual world... they exist everywhere. The problem is, they hide. They're not the ones out there displaying themselves for all to see, they're the ones lurking in the shadows where we can't see them. So while we're all blowing steam out of our ears throwing fits over playacting that upsets us, they're busily targetting that 12 yr old on the dance pole pretending to be 20.

Focus on the problem that has an actual solution. Stop looking for pretend crimes and keep your eyes peeled for the real ones. Pay attention to that stripper you know who speaks and acts a little too immaturely. Keep an eye on that guy next to you who seems awfully fond of her. And when the day comes one of them slips, call a linden, report a real crime and watch something be done about it..... Then you've accomplished something.


Your post almost made me feel like someone actually gives a shit about this topic except for the wholesale discredit of me and my first hand experience with these people who "seems awfully fond of her."
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