How do you like the new llPushObject restrictions?

May as well get opinions on this one, too.

makes me want to orbit people since i can't

How did you manage to get in a response at more or less exactly the same time I finished making the poll??

sigh.. i told you alex, i am the fastest guns in the west.. ping ping ping..
lol no im bored and hit on this as soon as i saw it post.. I am quite the speedy typer..

I love them AND I'm awaiting the next part which I hope will be avatar-centric so that people will be safe in sandboxes.

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I love the restrictions.

Now People don't have to make others remove prop weapons that are part of a outfitt.

This is great and it restricts the greifers also so its win win both ways.

We still need to be able to shut off the ability to stand in a 'protected' area and fire a push weapon, or any weapon, for that matter, at targets that are outside the protected area. Imagine being in a club, and someone on the dance floor fires off a noisy, effects-flashing chaingun - while aiming at someone walking down the nearby road... The target isn't in the protected area, so the push gun still works. That needs to be fixed.

The next step, and the most serious step, needs to be for LL to take the AR's seriously and really BAN all alts of a convicted griefer. Stop them from coming back again and again by routinely locking out the hardware ID of their computer.

Estate owners and sim owners need far larger ban lists. Only mainland parcel owners got a ban list size increase recently. Estates are still stuck with just 63 slots.

Another important step is to ensure that objects created by a griefer can't enter parcels they are banned from. If they rez some annoying follower of whatever, and you step into a protected area that they are banned from, their crud gets returned.

I thought they were going to do the comp info to ban people evantually, am I incorrect on that?

I voted that I dislike them for one simple reason...

It will not cut back on the amount of griefing in the least.

Pushing may have been the most popular weapon in the griefer's toolbox but it was also the LEAST offensive in that it removed you from their presense and you avoided continual griefing.

That void will be quickly filled by one or more of the more offensive griefing tactics.

Griefers don't quit and play Tringo when you restrict them, the just find other more offensive methods.

You all are being led down the primrose path by LL...you swallowed a placebo that in the medium and long term will make absolutely NO difference in your enjoyment of the game.

Good start, but more needs to be done. Click the link in my sig for details.

That all may be true, but I still like this change.

Ceera, see my other post on llPushObject by a Linden in this forum.

I script guns and there are SO many ways a griefer can make your life miserable. There are more holes than you could possibly fill short of just getting rid of the scripting language altogether.

You all are really barking up the wrong tree trying to get this or that restriction...I guarantee you there will be a never-ending list of new ones and trying to block them all will only result in the biggest, LL created, 'grief' we have; horrible lag and texture load times.

This is actually sad since I'm certain LL knows exactly what I'm saying yet found it a reasonable approach to hand out a placebo to satisfy the gullable community.

Mark my words, llPushObject...and any other restrictions...will be circumvented by far more annoying griefing methods.

LL just escalated the war with the griefers by removing one of the least innocuous methods...that void will be filled.

I won't comment on your last assertion, but if it's a choice between being pushed out of the sim or caged, I can deal with caging much more easily. Oribiting will still be a pain, but I can orbit as well as any griefer - or ban them from the land while I'm orbiting.

The issue with Push was that it was acting on avatars and moving them without their consent. In some cases the push was so strong it zoomed them thousands of meters in the air, or even to the edge of the world where their client locked up and they had to reboot. I haven't seen an orbiter or cager yet that did that.


That's how hackers and exploiters work, but the alternative is to do nothing. Frankly, it's going to actually be a pleasure managing our club again now that we don't have to worry about push guns and c4 bombs disrupting events and pushing 30-35 people all over. We'll deal with whatever else comes when it comes.

No, the alternative is NOT to do nothing. The alternative is for LL to get off their duff and actually enforce their own laws. The Report Abuse is an absolute joke and we all know it yet we'll swallow a completely ineffective added complexity?

No, you won't get pushed as easily now...but you'll still get griefed so lets stop believing in Santa Claus and that griefing will diminish.

Well the next question is, is Push going to be turned off at Cordova and Goguen and othe non-combat sims?

Despite some controversy, an apparently overall popular move ...

I voted for this being a start as we've been told to look for a max prims created option so we can at least reduce the effect of replicating-prim attacks.

Push doesn't solve griefing, I don't think anyone thought it would. It is a great start that I appreciate.

It of course will not stop all forms of griefing, but it effectively and completely negates the most common generally unstoppable form of griefing which is push weapons and bombs on parcels intended to be safe.

The next one they will have to address is push weapon griefing on public non-pvp land like sandboxes. They can't simply set the sandboxes as safe because that will prevent testing devices, like elevators, that use push as no one owns the sandbox.

Anyone protesting this move is simply upset because they had their lolly taken away.

This move, along with some of the recent ones (ban list extension, ban height extension, mute on ban, and audio ban) has ALREADY decreased the amount of 'hits' we get, significantly.

It does have an effect, and it has. Yes, griefers will find other methods. But they've got to work a lot harder for that now. I don't think it'll ever be as simple as dropping C4 and yelling "kaboom" ever again.

I agree with this one. I'd love to be able to walk into the sandboxes and not have to rez a prim or two dozen to sit on.

they are a start. llpush was a problem in that a griefer could push me out of the club. Even with movelocks I was unable to simply stand and watch the club without being on a poseball or otherwise sitting on an object to prevent being thrown out of sim by a griefer, who could then if he wanted set up an autopush to keep the club completely empty other then those sitting. now though, the options of a griefer are limited, they can still grief, by they can't easily throw me out of sim, meaning I can parcel ban (if bounced) or communicate with my security orbs (in cases of prim litter or sound/particle/text spam) and deal with the problem.

may not end griefing, but it DOES end the easy ability of the griefer to easily remove my security staff from the club.

Rather an illogical conclusion to come to Michi.

In fact it doesn't affect my business adversely since most of Carlos Weapons customers are landowners buying to police thier own property or those playing amoung themselves where being pushed is expected. So for landowners and those in the land group it makes a big who cares.

I'm actually quite happy that I don't have to compete on orbit heights with other gun manufacturers now. I've always said that 5k or 500k orbit is all the same...requires a tp. Damn customers though are always more impressed with numbers than with logic.

It will give me more business as I find ways for those looking for protection to strike back at griefers...something LL has left up to us by their utter inaction in dealing with abuse reports.

As I've stated many times it will have an effect on griefing in the SHORT term ONLY as they replace their favored method but thinking they'll have to work a "lot harder" is a joke. Once they have a new weapon they don't have to do any more work than they ever did before.

In fact the methods they'll use to replace pushes will be far more annoying.

Why in the world aren't we screaming bloody murder about LL not cracking down on the abusers themselves? I personally don't want to share my world with those kinds of people no matter how LL tries to defang their toys. I personally would rather remove the people.

What bothers me is this problems been here since beta (2002) and it's taken linden lab this long to fix it...


I couldn't agree more.

Love it. A move in the right direction, especially in light of the recent changes to registration.