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SuezanneC Baskerville

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07-24-2006 20:07

From: Susie Boffin

Jill Linden

Does Jill still do that sort of thing? Seems like she is in accounting now.

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Susie Boffin

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07-24-2006 20:13

From: SuezanneC Baskerville

Does Jill still do that sort of thing? Seems like she is in accounting now.

I don't know Suezanne but I am playing it safe nowadays and always do a panty check when dancing in a short skirt in a PG area.

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07-24-2006 22:08

I suspect that the world is growing faster than LL can afford to hire Lindens to ensure there are always 'visible' Lindens.
I also suspect that their approach, backing off a little and being 'on call' in case of problems is actually the most efficient way of doing things.
Frankly, I'm glad I *don't* see any of the coder Lindens inworld except when they're testing things - it means they're more likely to be doing their job, coding, instead of hanging around inworld whilst they're meant to be on the job.

I suspect the Lindens have it about right - be availible (over Live Help, etc)... but don't idle around inworld. If people need you, you're there, but you're not "hanging around".
I too wish that, when a griefer attack in progress was reported on Live Help, a Linden could teleport in, see the griefers, suspend the griefers' accounts by hardware hash, log the incident and leave. That would be truly effective. I realise, though, that it's not reasonable... Lindens are busy and there are times when there is just nobody free. It's also true that the abuse team have more access to logs etc than I'd expect Liaisons to have, so if a griefer attack does occur and the griefers behave when the Linden gets there (as I'd expect to happen), it really is most efficient to file ARs and let the guys who can view the server logs look into it.

So... would I like to see more Lindens visibly inworld? Yes. Do I think it will happen? I'm not sure. Do I think it's needed? Probably not.

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Juro Kothari

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07-24-2006 22:17

From: Lewis Nerd

... wouldn't it be so much easier if, when we found a bug, we could just explain directly to a Linden who could come over, see the problem, then yell for a Linden in that department to come have a look, instead of filing a bug report and hearing nothing more about it.

No, it wouldn't. Can you imagine how many bug reports we generate on a daily basis? They'd need dozens of Lindens just to verify that it *is* a bug in the first place. I'll bet every $L in my account 1/2 of the reports aren't even bugs.

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07-24-2006 22:19

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SuezanneC Baskerville

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07-24-2006 22:58

From: Juro Kothari

I'll bet every $L in my account 1/2 of the reports aren't even bugs.

I have the notion that there is a high percentage of completely incoherent messages from people that are drunk, stoned, snorted some coke, drank too many expressos and stayed up on the computer too long, etc.

The messages my not just not be bugs, like a complaint about the programs design, but I bet they get lots of bug reports about stuff like a pair of shoes didn't fit or someone didn't really like the color outfit they bought and totally off the wall stuff like that.

I have no evidence to support this, it's just my suspicion.

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SuezanneC Baskerville

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07-24-2006 23:00

From: Susie Boffin

I don't know Suezanne but I am playing it safe nowadays and always do a panty check when dancing in a short skirt in a PG area.

I bet your aren't the only one checking.

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Osprey Therian

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07-25-2006 00:36

From: Susie Boffin

I don't know Suezanne but I am playing it safe nowadays and always do a panty check when dancing in a short skirt in a PG area.

Now taking applications for Pantycheck Linden.

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07-25-2006 20:05

From: Lewis Nerd

As suggested, reposted from another thread which was wandering off its original topic, for further discussion and a bit of elaboration. The original post was on the thought that there are 'too many Lindens'.

I'm not sure there are "too many Lindens" considering the size and complexity of the game... personally I'd rather have a few more Lindens in customer service, dealing directly with in-world issues and talking to players. I can't think of many Lindens who started life as 'regular players', and I am sure that many of them don't actually use their 'product' in the same way that many of us do, day in day out.

Some Lindens should be more visible, and more easily found in-world, rather than simply having to file abuse reports, bug reports and suchlike... wouldn't it be so much easier if, when we found a bug, we could just explain directly to a Linden who could come over, see the problem, then yell for a Linden in that department to come have a look, instead of filing a bug report and hearing nothing more about it.

I think I've probably only seen about 5 Lindens 'in the pixel' in-world out of however many there are. Even then it comes across very much as an 'us and them' attitude. If we are ever truly to be a community, that would be a great barrier to break to start it rolling.

Lewis

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SuezanneC Baskerville Forums Rock! Join date: 22 Dec 2003 Posts: 14,229	07-24-2006 20:07 From: Susie Boffin Jill Linden Does Jill still do that sort of thing? Seems like she is in accounting now. _____________________ - So long to these forums, the vBulletin forums that used to be at forums.secondlife.com. I will miss them. I can be found on the web by searching for "SuezanneC Baskerville", or go to http://www.google.com/profiles/suezanne - http://lindenlab.tribe.net/ created on 11/19/03. Members: Ben, Catherine, Colin, Cory, Dan, Doug, Jim, Philip, Phoenix, Richard, Robin, and Ryan -
Susie Boffin Certified Nutcase Join date: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 2,151	07-24-2006 20:13 From: SuezanneC Baskerville Does Jill still do that sort of thing? Seems like she is in accounting now. I don't know Suezanne but I am playing it safe nowadays and always do a panty check when dancing in a short skirt in a PG area. _____________________ "If you see a man approaching you with the obvious intent of doing you good, you should run for your life." - Henry David Thoreau
Angel Fluffy Very Helpful Join date: 3 Mar 2006 Posts: 810	07-24-2006 22:08 I suspect that the world is growing faster than LL can afford to hire Lindens to ensure there are always 'visible' Lindens. I also suspect that their approach, backing off a little and being 'on call' in case of problems is actually the most efficient way of doing things. Frankly, I'm glad I don't see any of the coder Lindens inworld except when they're testing things - it means they're more likely to be doing their job, coding, instead of hanging around inworld whilst they're meant to be on the job. I suspect the Lindens have it about right - be availible (over Live Help, etc)... but don't idle around inworld. If people need you, you're there, but you're not "hanging around". I too wish that, when a griefer attack in progress was reported on Live Help, a Linden could teleport in, see the griefers, suspend the griefers' accounts by hardware hash, log the incident and leave. That would be truly effective. I realise, though, that it's not reasonable... Lindens are busy and there are times when there is just nobody free. It's also true that the abuse team have more access to logs etc than I'd expect Liaisons to have, so if a griefer attack does occur and the griefers behave when the Linden gets there (as I'd expect to happen), it really is most efficient to file ARs and let the guys who can view the server logs look into it. So... would I like to see more Lindens visibly inworld? Yes. Do I think it will happen? I'm not sure. Do I think it's needed? Probably not. _____________________ Volunteer Portal (FAQs!) : https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Volunteer_Portal JIRA / Issue Tracker : http://jira.secondlife.com (& http://tinyurl.com/2jropp)
Juro Kothari Like a dog on a bone Join date: 4 Sep 2003 Posts: 4,418	07-24-2006 22:17 From: Lewis Nerd ... wouldn't it be so much easier if, when we found a bug, we could just explain directly to a Linden who could come over, see the problem, then yell for a Linden in that department to come have a look, instead of filing a bug report and hearing nothing more about it. No, it wouldn't. Can you imagine how many bug reports we generate on a daily basis? They'd need dozens of Lindens just to verify that it is a bug in the first place. I'll bet every $L in my account 1/2 of the reports aren't even bugs. _____________________
Baba Yamamoto baba@slinked.net Join date: 26 May 2003 Posts: 1,024	07-24-2006 22:19 ;0 Do something wilde and crezzy and the lindens will flock to you ;0 _____________________ Open Metaverse Foundation - http://www.openmetaverse.org Meerkat viewer - http://meerkatviewer.org
SuezanneC Baskerville Forums Rock! Join date: 22 Dec 2003 Posts: 14,229	07-24-2006 22:58 From: Juro Kothari I'll bet every $L in my account 1/2 of the reports aren't even bugs. I have the notion that there is a high percentage of completely incoherent messages from people that are drunk, stoned, snorted some coke, drank too many expressos and stayed up on the computer too long, etc. The messages my not just not be bugs, like a complaint about the programs design, but I bet they get lots of bug reports about stuff like a pair of shoes didn't fit or someone didn't really like the color outfit they bought and totally off the wall stuff like that. I have no evidence to support this, it's just my suspicion. _____________________ - So long to these forums, the vBulletin forums that used to be at forums.secondlife.com. I will miss them. I can be found on the web by searching for "SuezanneC Baskerville", or go to http://www.google.com/profiles/suezanne - http://lindenlab.tribe.net/ created on 11/19/03. Members: Ben, Catherine, Colin, Cory, Dan, Doug, Jim, Philip, Phoenix, Richard, Robin, and Ryan -
SuezanneC Baskerville Forums Rock! Join date: 22 Dec 2003 Posts: 14,229	07-24-2006 23:00 From: Susie Boffin I don't know Suezanne but I am playing it safe nowadays and always do a panty check when dancing in a short skirt in a PG area. I bet your aren't the only one checking. _____________________ - So long to these forums, the vBulletin forums that used to be at forums.secondlife.com. I will miss them. I can be found on the web by searching for "SuezanneC Baskerville", or go to http://www.google.com/profiles/suezanne - http://lindenlab.tribe.net/ created on 11/19/03. Members: Ben, Catherine, Colin, Cory, Dan, Doug, Jim, Philip, Phoenix, Richard, Robin, and Ryan -
Osprey Therian I want capslocklock Join date: 6 Jul 2004 Posts: 5,049	07-25-2006 00:36 From: Susie Boffin I don't know Suezanne but I am playing it safe nowadays and always do a panty check when dancing in a short skirt in a PG area. Now taking applications for Pantycheck Linden. _____________________ http:www.atomic-raygun.com Combat Cards in Europa [url=http://slurl.com/secondlife/grignano/118/116/]The Photography Studio in Grignano[/url] Mud! Mud! Glorious mud! Nothing quite like it for cooling the blood. So, follow me, follow, down to the hollow, And there let us wallow in glorious mud. Flanders and Swan
Tre Giles Registered User Join date: 16 Dec 2005 Posts: 294	07-25-2006 20:05 From: Lewis Nerd As suggested, reposted from another thread which was wandering off its original topic, for further discussion and a bit of elaboration. The original post was on the thought that there are 'too many Lindens'. I'm not sure there are "too many Lindens" considering the size and complexity of the game... personally I'd rather have a few more Lindens in customer service, dealing directly with in-world issues and talking to players. I can't think of many Lindens who started life as 'regular players', and I am sure that many of them don't actually use their 'product' in the same way that many of us do, day in day out. Some Lindens should be more visible, and more easily found in-world, rather than simply having to file abuse reports, bug reports and suchlike... wouldn't it be so much easier if, when we found a bug, we could just explain directly to a Linden who could come over, see the problem, then yell for a Linden in that department to come have a look, instead of filing a bug report and hearing nothing more about it. I think I've probably only seen about 5 Lindens 'in the pixel' in-world out of however many there are. Even then it comes across very much as an 'us and them' attitude. If we are ever truly to be a community, that would be a great barrier to break to start it rolling. Lewis People have been saying this for a while now, but there are too little lindes to notice the posts _____________________ "The Dirt Gods Are Pleased" OMFG I FOUND HACKS TO SECONDLIFE ON GOOGLE??? Hacks!!!? Found on google lmao!

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