is Philip on the way out?

Maybe I'm feeding the drama monster, but did anyone else feel like Philip's latest speech was a bit "final" and sad? I'm probably just reading too much into it based on current troubles. See for yourself:

http://secondlife.blogs.com/philip/2006/06/third_anniversa.html#more

His opening: "I am so very very happy that Second Life is three years old and growing fast, and that I have gotten to realize a childhood dream and be part of such a special company and community."

and his closing:

"Here's to everyone. I'm going to shut up, wander around, and enjoy myself."

Gave me the impression that he might be saying goodbye to the old place.

He spent most of the speech talking up the old times - as you'd expect at an annivesary celebration - but that also felt kind of like a final look back.

I really hope I'm wrong. Say it ain't so, Phil!

I think you're reading too much in. It just sounded to me like he was a bit bummed out that the anniversary was marred by grid troubles and protests.

I believe the plan when SL opened to everyone, is the idea behind that Linden Labs will go public, therefore public investment.

Hmm. Nah.

He did make some comment about his new clothes that seemed sort of sad too, but I can't remember what it was, sorry. I just caught that he was bummed out too.

I think I probably would have been too, as the realisation hit him that the reason the three year party is being ruined by grid crashing griefers was a direct result of the removal of signup verification and the "free for all unaccountability".

Finally being confronted with what we've been trying to tell him for the last 2 weeks, and having to try and figure out how to get out of the mess he has put not only the thousands of dedicated players, but his whole company into, is probably rather stressful.

Many of us are more than happy to help turn things around though... if only LL will listen to us and our ideas.

Lewis

Lews, why should they listen to you when you're claiming things as facts that aren't even true? I love how people make up their mind about the way something is and then stick to it even if the facts contradict them. The grid problems yesterday were caused by a database glitch, not a griefer, yet you're trying to claim that somehow it supports your assertion that griefing is exploding due to the registration changes. That's disingenuous and not really rational. How can LL address the concerns of people who aren't interested in facts and who mischaracterize events to suit their preconceived notions? You can't really expect a reasonable response if you're starting from an unreasonable position.

I think all that Lewis is saying (much like thousands of other users) is that we're all sick and tired of being in a 'resident-run' community, when in actuality, none of our voices, thoughts, and ideas are truely respected and heard by LL

It was weird last night, because during my (six) attempts to log in and get to the meeting, I did hear someone mention that there was a tower of multi-coloured tori in the sim stretching up about 500m.

Now I didn't see this, but if true it does indicate that something other than a simple glitch was afoot.

That would be an understandable way to feel if it were true. Apparently a lot of people feel that unless LL does things exactly as they would want them to then they aren't listening and don't respect your opinions. That also isn't rational. "They're not doing what I think they should" in no way automatically equates to "they're not listening and don't care what I think," and in fact they've demonstrated over and over again over the last three years that they do listen and do care what we think. Just because they don't roll over every time the forum community gets its panties in a bunch doesn't mean they're sitting at their desks with their fingers in their ears going "lalalalalalalala"

Chip Please Teach Philip Linden some fashion sence

As several other people have mentioned, database glitches do not cause rainbow coloured torii to spontaneously appear over the head of Philip Linden and self-replicate.

Lewis

As much as I disagree with Lewis on most points, the fact, Chip is this:

The speech was disrupted several times by someone rezzing an object that crashed the sims that were venues for Philip's speech. It took 4-5 crashes before they realized they could turn on no-build / no-script and get started.

Another thing is that the setup was pretty idiotic, with rotating seats that would eventually rotate you into the crashed sim if you weren't already in it.

That said, I am suspecting that some of the latest griefers are simply people that are against the new open registration, trying to make a point, teach LL a lesson, so to speak. Some of the griefing is too advanced for a random newb. I'm pretty sure it will fade away.

And to comment on the actual topic:

No, i don't think Philip is on the way out yet. I think he was just tired and frustrated with the griefing problems. I guess the protestors won that round.

I think Lewis was referring to the large objects that were being deposited on stage during his speech yesterday.

A prime example of a little information being a dangerous thing there, Selador. I was there, 4 times, when it crashed with the scripted multi-torii attachment. It crashed the sim, that's all, not the grid.

So please, realise that supposition from the outside is so very often wrong. What caused the whole grid crash? Dunno, but the Lindens have never hid when it's been a grief attack before. So why disbelieve now?

Oh...well...unless disbelieveing their explanation feeds your own wish to say the sky is falling ,we're doomed, it's fucked, they're wankers belief system etc. etc.

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Agreed, it was I who posted about seeing the 500m tower of torii but I didn't say it crashed the whole grid. That particular thread was discussing the Georgean sim.

The thing to remember is that there were TWO sets of posts going around at the exact same time...one set discussing the Georgean sim going down, and another talking about grid going down.

Well, personally, I only actually got in world after the grid came back up (I wasn't around to get in world before it went down originally) and it was only then that I went to the speech and experienced the griant scripted torii of death 3 or 4 times And only after the first time that happened did I see it discussed on here, so that was definitely after the main grid crashing event.

Yes, that's true, but when Georgean went down, the "grid" threads were still active.

Just saying there was probable cause for confusion.

The rotating seats were not "idiotic"; they were a design to balance the load of avatars over four sims. This allowed the main ampitheatre could support up to 120 AVs at a popular speech (like Phillip Linden's).

Yet if everyone sat at one of the seats provided , they'd still be spread out evenly, correct?

120 seats, all of which had a script in them to change colour when sat on, plus all the rotation scripts, plus the inerent difficulties of crossing sim borders seems very much to me like a great idea on paper, just not so in reality in-world because of the extra load on the servers.

Lewis

You're right, that tori thing was too advanced for a true newbie...But NO, please do not attribute any griefing done to those of us who are against the open registration without solid proof. Some of us organised to sit together but we have been very clear all along that anything we do is to be done with respect toward LL and the SL community.

I think its been made clear enough that the grid problems were coincidental. As for the sim crashes at the celebration. Some of that seemed random. (I crashed well before the tori incident) and some of it was due to the self replicating tori dropped directly onto Phillip as witnessed by two of my friends. But no one in our group was responsible for that.

Please, I never said it is anyone in your group. However, I am free to suspect whatever I feel like. I'm not saying that any one in particular did it. What I sense is that someone with a strong motive is behind it. What better motive than to teach LL a lesson on their own birthday, to prove a point? You can't seriously think that this was done by someone with just a faint interest in LL and SL? I'm not buying that idea.

Just so you know, the grid never crashed ;0 I was online the entire time. We were unable to rez anything because the database was down at the time.

The giant torus thing was a griefer. I think there would have been problems regardless of the registration changes. In most Linden events things are no script / no build. Event organizers forgot to turn those things off before philip showed up.

What on earth are you talking about, Moopf?

I'm kinda sad i wasn't there to see this. Not that i'm glad it happened, but you would think that if the main man who staeted it all got griefed, that something would be done about the griefer problems. O.o