90% of the internet is now illegal
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Dr Sholokhov
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01-09-2006 19:09
http://news.com.com/Create+an+e-annoyance,+go+to+jail/2010-1028_3-6022491.html?part=rss&tag=6022491&subj=newsFrom: someone A new federal law states that when you annoy someone on the Internet, you must disclose your identity. Here's the relevant language.
"Whoever...utilizes any device or software that can be used to originate telecommunications or other types of communications that are transmitted, in whole or in part, by the Internet... without disclosing his identity and with intent to annoy, abuse, threaten, or harass any person...who receives the communications...shall be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than two years, or both."
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Siggy Romulus
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01-09-2006 19:15
hahah a law is only as good as its enforcability - love to see them enforce that.
The ability to annoy is the only reason I have an internet connection at all..
oh and the pr0n
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Kermitt Quirk
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01-09-2006 19:18
ummm... apart from the fact that this whole thing is very subjective, there appears to be one very glaring hole. By the very definition of the "crime" you're only at fault if you don't disclose your identity, but then how are they gonna know who to prosecute?
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Chris Wilde
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01-09-2006 19:18
Hmm could this be used against email spammers? Junk mail that wont stop and use fake or invalid email accounts? But then again, like you said, whos going to enforce it?
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Aimee Weber
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01-09-2006 19:19
Great. I have to choose between - Getting thrown in jail if somebody finds my posts as Aimee Weber annoying (and let's be honest, who wouldn't) or -Exposing my RL identity to internet crazies and putting myself in RL risk.  |
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Belaya Statosky
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01-09-2006 19:22
The debate on it over at BoingBoing and elsewhere has pretty much exposed this as toothless, overturnable and the article a bit misleading. Wait and see, of course. Thought politics was off-topic, though.. |
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Chris Wilde
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01-09-2006 19:24
Is there a forum for rich people? I wanna go troll there and cash in.
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Cristiano Midnight
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01-09-2006 19:26
From: Belaya Statosky The debate on it over at BoingBoing and elsewhere has pretty much exposed this as toothless, overturnable and the article a bit misleading. Wait and see, of course. Yeah there is definitely much more to come about this odd law. It is so overreaching, and vaguely worded that most communications online could run afoul of it. It will never, ever stand up in court under much scrutiny. The most annoying part of it is the backdoor way it was put into the legislation. There does seem to be confusion about whether or not the main point of it is just to extend the stalking and harassment laws to VOIP. That would be understandable. I don't have a lot of faith in c|net's ability to get the story right anyway, as far as journalistic integrity, the site is pretty bad.
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Dr Sholokhov
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01-09-2006 19:30
From: Belaya Statosky The debate on it over at BoingBoing and elsewhere has pretty much exposed this as toothless, overturnable and the article a bit misleading. Wait and see, of course. Thought politics was off-topic, though.. As for where this should go, I figured that this story was pretty relevant to SL as a whole. Also here is the actual law (from 1996): From: someone  For purposes of this section-- (1) The use of the term ''telecommunications device'' in this section- - (A) shall not impose new obligations on broadcasting station licensees and cable operators covered by obscenity and indecency provisions elsewhere in this Act; and (B) does not include an interactive computer service. (2) The term ''interactive computer service'' has the meaning provided in section 230  (2). (3) The term ''access software'' means software (including client or server software) or enabling tools that do not create or provide the content of the communication but that allow a user to do any one or more of the following: (A) filter, screen, allow, or disallow content; (B) pick, choose, analyze, or digest content; or (C) transmit, receive, display, forward, cache, search, subset, organize, reorganize, or translate content. (4) The term ''institution of higher education'' has the meaning provided in section 1201 of the Higher Education Act of 1965 (20 U.S.C. 1141). (5) The term ''library'' means a library eligible for participation in State-based plans for funds under title III of the Library Services and Construction Act (20 U.S.C. 355e et seq.). And this is what was just passed, which amends the law to make it include the internet. From: someone SEC. 113. PREVENTING CYBERSTALKING. (a) In General- Paragraph (1) of section 223 of the Communications Act of 1934 (47 U.S.C. 223 (1)) is amended-- (1) in subparagraph (A), by striking `and' at the end; (2) in subparagraph (B), by striking the period at the end and inserting `; and'; and (3) by adding at the end the following new subparagraph: `(C) in the case of subparagraph (C) of subsection (a)(1), includes any device or software that can be used to originate telecommunications or other types of communications that are transmitted, in whole or in part, by the Internet (as such term is defined in section 1104 of the Internet Tax Freedom Act (47 U.S.C. 151 note)).'. (b) Rule of Construction- This section and the amendment made by this section may not be construed to affect the meaning given the term `telecommunications device' in section 223 (1) of the Communications Act of 1934, as in effect before the date of the enactment of this section. EDIT: Cleaned up my quites to make it readable. |
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Aimee Weber
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01-09-2006 19:32
From: Dr Sholokhov As for where this should go, I figured that this story was pretty relevant to SL as a whole. Ya I would say this is pretty on-topic. |
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Siggy Romulus
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01-09-2006 19:40
When I was in the Army the Regimental Sergeant Major called the barracks and I picked up the phone and answered 'Ya - wha the fuck ya want?'
He roared down the phone 'HOW DARE YOU ANSWER THE PHONE IN SUCH A MANNER - YOU ARE TO BE CORDIAL AND POLITE AND PROMPT AT ALL TIMES!'
'Yah - whatever... what ya want?' I replied..
'** DO YOU KNOW WHO THIS IS**' He roared - audibly furious.
'Newp...' I said
'THIS IS THE R.S.M OF THIS BASE AND BY GOD I'M GOING UP THERE RIGHT NOW TO GIVE YOU A REAMING THAT WILL MAKE YOU WISH YOU'D NEVER BEEN BORN!!! DO I MAKE MYSELF CLEAR SOLIDIER!!!' -- spit nearly flying through the mouthpeice.
'Oh', says I, 'Do you know who this is?'
'Ah... no' He says.
'Cool.... Go fuck yourself then'.
I hung up the phone and merrily walked away...
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Martin Magpie
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01-09-2006 19:46
You all annoy me, I want names!  |
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Siggy Romulus
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01-09-2006 19:47
From: Martin Magpie You all annoy me, I want names! ok Heywood Jabloughmi
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Cristiano Midnight
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01-09-2006 19:51
From: Martin Magpie You all annoy me, I want names! <-Cristiano Diaz
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Aimee Weber
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01-09-2006 19:53
<-- Philip Rosedale. What?! Oh like you guys DIDN'T know already |
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Dr Sholokhov
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01-09-2006 19:56
While enforcing this in court is unlikely, since I've never head of someone going to jail over a phone call, it /might/ make it possible for you to whine at the Lindens and have the impeach bush guy tossed out.
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Aimee Weber
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01-09-2006 19:57
From: Dr Sholokhov While enforcing this in court is unlikely, since I've never head of someone going to jail over a phone call, it /might/ make it possible for you to whine at the Lindens and have the impeach bush guy tossed out. And for the Impeach Bush guy to toss out the whiners  |
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Siggy Romulus
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01-09-2006 19:58
I'm Philip, and so's my wife!
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Belaya Statosky
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01-09-2006 20:01
On or off-topic aside, I don't see why you quoted that back at me when I obviously have read it and surrounding debates as indicated by my original post? If you find this annoying, it's because I'm Gilbert Gottfried. |
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Dr Sholokhov
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01-09-2006 20:03
From: Belaya Statosky On or off-topic aside, I don't see why you quoted that back at me when I obviously have read it and surrounding debates as indicated by my original post?
If you find this annoying, it's because I'm Gilbert Gottfried. w-hat? my quotes of legal jargon were for anyone else who wanted to read that stuff. Only the part at the veeeeery top of my post was for you. |
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Enabran Templar
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01-09-2006 20:06
From: Belaya Statosky The debate on it over at BoingBoing and elsewhere has pretty much exposed this as toothless, overturnable and the article a bit misleading. Wait and see, of course. Thought politics was off-topic, though.. Beat me to it.
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Burke Prefect
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01-09-2006 20:27
Everyone who matters knows my name. And probably has ways to contact me.
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Martin Magpie
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01-09-2006 20:29
<----Catherine Cotton  |
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Magnum Serpentine
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01-09-2006 21:15
From: Aimee Weber <-- Philip Rosedale. What?! Oh like you guys DIDN'T know already George W. Bush is my name |
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Burke Prefect
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01-09-2006 21:22
I am Kaiser Soze.
Ahem...
I AM SPAHTICUS!!!
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