If consumers treated content like many treat events....

Yet just this month, Flipper considered issues concerning the events situation significant enough to address and act upon. A newer player who is working to integrate pay for event into our social structure and has asked for advice. Fortunately not all of our older players have nothing to offer beyond "shut up your boring me".

Applaud my ass.

kinky o.O

LOL Katykiwi, good one

florenze

But(t) deserved.

You're right. Posting the same thing a half-dozen times is the only other option to not bringing it up at all.

Not quite - while our thread starter compares one thing to another (or tries) I was pointing out how funny it was that their 'crusade' follows the exact same example as the events list (the subject of their 'crusade') and perhaps pointing to reasons WHY they are as they.

I found it humorous in the extreme that the reason the events list is avoided a lot of the time is because of the near identical posts that litter it... A lot like littering the forums with multiple near identical threads - the 'crusade' may well be overlooked for the same reason the events list is.

And thats funny.

Now if you care to bend those cheeks over my knee, I'll warm my hands and give you a round of applause.

I did that for the first couple of weeks on SL, and most of the stuff I have comes from Yadni's or is stuff I've made myself. But there are things that people make that are simply over the top, and I've spent tens of thousands of Lindens on them.

You want me to do the same for events, show me events that are simply over the top and worth spending money on.

Yep, that's me. At least half the few times I've actually gone out looking for something specific I've ended up having to make it myself, or spend money on something that was halfway there. I buy stuff when I meet someone and see stuff I gotta have, not because I'm "going shopping".

Check.

Um, yeh, that used to be a big problem. That's why killing telehubs was so key. I *like* flying and I still didn't bother looking up half the places I'd heard of if I couldn't just *bamf* there.

What? What are you saying? Sounds like reality.

lol wow, Argent and I agree.

Ha! No thanks, Siggy, I'm booked for an encore performance and find that playing to my usual audience provides just the right inspiration.

But seriously, I think that in contrast to whining because DI and most probably dwell will be going away and pleading for LL to reconsider, individuals who are buckling down and working on a long term survival strategy deserve support rather than flames. And if you can't find reason for support, perhaps you could at least hold off on the flames. People responding to a change which negatively effects them with a go forward attitude is rather a nice change, no?

What I said was hardly a flame - and the assumptions at the beginning of the thread were hardly positive. Nor did it seem a survival strategy.

I said in another thread that I think a lot of the events/funding/etc. discussions are ass-backwards - they revolve around the 'give me money and I may give you something you like'.
I think in order for events etc to survive they should perhaps look at it from the other side:

I give you something you like - and perhaps you give me money for it.

If folks want to compare events to content creation - maybe they should try following the same paradigm first.

Either way - posting a squillion threads on it and carpetbombing the forums isn't going to raise support for the cause - only reinforce whats negative about the current events system.

Keep an eye out for pigs: I also threw all my spare votes into Prop 404.

I love it!

slutwear ok I'm using that phrase it's dead on! lol can't ya make a decent sweater in sl folks? nooooo it has to have the nipple area removed first! ewww. rofl

your list is dead on thanks for saying it!

Mar

I seem to spend half my time in SL looking for stuff to finish my av.

Maybe I should quit trying to make an unusual av, and just bling out and pretend to be a hot chick.

Huh???

I just did a search in classifieds on sweaters and picked 3 at random. Guess what? The looked like plain old sweaters. I guess I miss your point.

Then I guess content is treated like many treat events. Go figure that.

(whine) "No one makes normal clothes." (Nevermind that dozens of designers do.)
(whine) "No one makes men's clothes." (Nevermind that dozens of designers do.)

Lotta people make normal clothing -- Jonquille (whose shop I highly recommend) among others. I didn't coin the phrase slutwear. I stole it from Simone. No idea where she got it from.

(Warning, long post ahead, I'm bolding what I think is most important: )

The original post in this thread tries to draw a comparison between SL content and SL events. The truth is that this is like comparing apples to oranges, for many reasons (as others have also pointed out in this thread). SL content is pervasive and can be enjoyed on many separate occasions. You can show it to others or just ogle it yourself. It can be used weeks, months, even years after the initial purchase. Events are a one-time thing, plain and simple.

Now, getting people to open their pocketbooks to pay for events is tricky, even in real life. If I look back over the money I've spent on something I consider non-tangible entertainment of some sort IRL in the past six months, it's not a whole heck of a lot.

There's a general trend in the US toward staying home and buying more "stuff" than attending "events." I see the "McMansions" and expensive vehicles that people shell out a lot of money for, along with high-end computers, audio-video equipment and other technological gadgetry. People seem to want to pay for "stuff," not an "experience."

It used to be that SL residents attended events in order to exchange Calling Cards and rate each other; this was a powerful incentive since it led to a higher monthly stipend amount. Another reason to attend events in the earlier days of SL was simply to find someone with which to interact; it used to be a lot harder to find green dots on the grid when the SL population was much lower. More recently, money balls and camping chairs have provided a reason for more indigent avatars to frequent locations that hosted these features.

Linden Lab is taking away a lot of the financial hand-holding they have perpetuated in regard to helping events thrive (or even just survive). I believe these measures were originally put in place to ensure that people pursued ways to make social connections within SL, as this would improve the chances that people would continue to return to SL on a regular basis. Apparently LL's new-user and continuing player numbers indicate that these original measure (paying for rating/calling cards, event funding, developer incentives that could be passed on to attendees in the form of money balls/chairs) are either not working or no longer necessary.

And yes, as Siggy and others have pointed out, this has been hashed and re-hashed. But, obviously it's a very important issue to people like Vivianne (and, of course, many others), so they keep making these appeals on forums for others to help them think of ways to make event hosting profitably viable in SL. I can't really fault them for that, many others use forums to see if SL-oriented ideas will sink or float.

What I think would be more productive would be to do some real market research in-world on what people want in entertainment - scratch that, on what they're willing to PAY for in the SL entertainment world. That's what this issue is really about, making event hosting (REAL events, not just yard sales, -ingo games, blingy club zombie/camping chair zombie listings and various come-ons advertising stores) profitable for the people doing the hosting.

I'm not sure what wisdom can be gleaned from forum threads like this one where it would seem that content purchasers/producers are being chastised for not supporting SL events. People also aren't going to go for any sort of "arts" tax to support events, I can tell you that with absolute certainty. Also, most people who have good ideas about a way to do something will most likely keep their mouths shut about it until they figure out how to profit from it themselves.

Having said all this, though, I do wish event hosts good luck; you're definitely going to need it as LL and all of SL continues to tighten financial belts because of reduced discretionary funds floating around our little wanna-be metaverse.

I like apples better than oranges. Apples are generally not as messy, you can eat the skin (and core if you're me), and they are also better for the lining of your mouth because they aren't as acidic. On the other hand citrus fruits provide vitamin C.

As a somewhat related on-topic tangent (yes, I just actually said that!), SLBoutique's event list has just released our beta notification system.

This has advantages over the SL system in several ways:

(1) Notification is by Instant Message. If you turn Instant Message to email on, you will receive the notification even if you're offline. If you're insane like me, you can even have the offline email go to your PDA. Good luck getting the SL client to run on it, however.

(2) Notification by Host. You can choose to opt-in and be notified of every event the host is running. Hopefully this will help remove the need for people to use conference IMs and in-world spam techniques. Simply create your event, and everyone who's asked to be notified of all your events will be notified 20 minutes prior to the event.

(3) Notification by simulator / region. You can choose to opt-in and be notified of every event posted for a certain sim.

I hope these help; the events calendar was useful up to this point, I thought, but these features should make it a much more useful and robust scheduling tool for hosts and attendees.

Please also note hosts can already set up recurring events; you can set your event to run weekly or monthly and it will auto-renew automatically. No more posting EVERY week!

Comments and constructive criticism are always welcome.

Regards,

-Flip

Why, I took it from SL, itself. 'Slut Wear' was a common SL phrase to describe anything trashy and very revealing. I didn't have to brand it, it was already branded on the psyches of SL residents long before *I* arrived. I simply took advantage of that branding.

Now arguably my 'slut wear' is hardly that slutty. I'm regularly told it is too classy to bear the name; nonetheless, the name works, and since the 'brand' seems to be identified in conjunction with some of my work, well.... so be it. I can live with that.

For a while, if you googled 'slut wear', my listings on SLboutique were in the top ten. I can live with that, too.

I think what I am trying to say here is that indeed many consumers DO treat content like an event. And if the use of the 'slut wear' tag had not WORKED to get people to make the trip into my shop to see the quality of my work, then I would have DROPPED the tag, and used something else. Because in the end, it's not the NAME of the content, but the content itself that sells.

Have a great day.

Amen. It all boils down to interpretation. She thinks her revealing stuff should be called slutty, while others might think it's too conservative for slut. But that is a personal call. Wishing I had thought of the tag (although, I dont have overly revealing things), then maybe I'd get more people to see my content. Sex sells and if you don't sell it you're screwed, no pun intended, (needed to be here from the beginning, the "golden ticket", they're all on islands raking in the lindens...) *shrugs*

-Lizzie.