If consumers treated content like many treat events....
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Vivianne Draper
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12-27-2005 11:38
- Most folks would get free stuff at Yadni's and never shop. After all, why should we pay for stuff over and above what we give to LL?
- People would say "I don't ever shop because its too hard to find the good shops with all the crap that's out there"
- People wouldn't read the new product forums and classified because "its all junked up with the *.*slutwear" and script stuff that I can't really use because I don't have land
- People would never go see your fantastic new build because "it takes too much time flying around and looking at ugly stuff before you find something that's really cool"
I'm just sayin....
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Cocoanut Koala
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12-27-2005 11:47
lol - very good, Vivianne! coco
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Rickard Roentgen
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12-27-2005 11:49
From: Vivianne Draper - Most folks would get free stuff at Yadni's and never shop. After all, why should we pay for stuff over and above what we give to LL?
- People would say "I don't ever shop because its too hard to find the good shops with all the crap that's out there"
- People wouldn't read the new product forums and classified because "its all junked up with the *.*slutwear" and script stuff that I can't really use because I don't have land
- People would never go see your fantastic new build because "it takes too much time flying around and looking at ugly stuff before you find something that's really cool"
I'm just sayin.... lol so what you're saying is consumers do treat content like they treat events?
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Burke Prefect
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12-27-2005 12:07
Don't build or sell to the mainstream users. Build and sell to the niches. They're more willing to go the extra meter. The mainstreamers are already well served... by people I will now call Resident Rustlers.
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Rickard Roentgen
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12-27-2005 12:08
<- worships jake for not only alliterating but doing it with the letter R.
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Cocoanut Koala
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12-27-2005 12:15
From: Burke Prefect Don't build or sell to the mainstream users. Build and sell to the niches. They're more willing to go the extra meter. The mainstreamers are already well served... by people I will now call Resident Rustlers. What? coco
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Rickard Roentgen
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12-27-2005 12:26
I think he means find eccentrics and shamelessly exploit them.
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Richie Waves
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12-27-2005 12:45
From: Rickard Roentgen I think he means find eccentrics and shamelessly exploit them. or he could mean if its not lame bling, hiphop wear and actually an original idea, it might actually command a better price!
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Rickard Roentgen
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12-27-2005 12:50
lol or someone will ask if they can get it with bling.
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Surreal Farber
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12-27-2005 12:58
One difference is that events are consumables and most other content isn't. I think people are more willing to pay in SL for stuff that can clutter up their inventories.
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Torley Linden
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12-27-2005 13:11
Part of the problem happens to do with apathy via attrition—a downslide began, clutter started to pile up, and among other things, we are lacking better filters to organize our information. There is a lot being missed though, in some instances, the right people will come along and fill those voids. One person taking the initiative can make a big difference. 
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Aliasi Stonebender
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12-27-2005 13:13
Don't try to swing for the fences. Find special-interest groups and cater to them, I think is the idea.
I.E, "serious discussions" might not attract a bunch of people, but the people that do show up are likely to be highly interested.
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Merwan Marker
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12-27-2005 13:37
Niche markets... 
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Adam Zaius
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12-27-2005 13:43
From: Aliasi Stonebender Don't try to swing for the fences. Find special-interest groups and cater to them, I think is the idea. I.E, "serious discussions" might not attract a bunch of people, but the people that do show up are likely to be highly interested. Interesting point, I think this comes down to a 'lowest common denominator' factor. The bigger you want your audience to be, the more you will have to lower the standards.
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Torley Linden
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12-27-2005 13:46
From: Adam Zaius Interesting point, I think this comes down to a 'lowest common denominator' factor. The bigger you want your audience to be, the more you will have to lower the standards. The way I've often seen it is like a magnifying glass—if you choose to, you can focus. Some want to cast big nets that happen to interest a lot (i.e. pro wrestling), but others are fine with diehardcore cult followings. What I enjoy are the contradictions that can cover both, if not yet, then in time as popularity grows.
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katykiwi Moonflower
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12-27-2005 13:47
From: Surreal Farber One difference is that events are consumables and most other content isn't. The events list is such an absurdity now that the abuse of it now includes classified ads for goods sold at businesses. Shopping is now an event. Shopping and money chairs have overtaken SL. Why venture out now...content in the metaverse is like riding down Admiral Wilson Blvd in Camden New Jersey..
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Ironraptor Albion
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12-27-2005 15:04
I guess I'm lucky in a way that I design content which is not necessarily the norm. My designs cater to the mechaphiles. THose people who buy mecha avatars because it IS mecha. In a way it's a cyclical pattern. I design stuff that appeals to the 'niche' crowd, and the 'niche' crowd boosts my ego and my inspiration to design more machine-based stuff for the niche.
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Rickard Roentgen
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12-27-2005 15:15
My earlier comment about taking advantage of eccentrics wasn't meant to be a cut at anybody. It wasn't entirely untruthfull either  . What I implied that might offend is that the people designing for niche groups were doing so for purely cold and calculated reasons and doing so unethically. This is not the case and I know it. The lowest common denominator theory sounds about right. Sadly it seems to preclude large profitable events which also contain any really interesting content. Now if you can make a small profitable event, that might just be in the realm of possibility. You have to find people who appreciate the quality and are also willing to pay enough to compensate for the small audience.
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Nolan Nash
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12-27-2005 15:23
From: katykiwi Moonflower ...content in the metaverse is like riding down Admiral Wilson Blvd in Camden New Jersey.. YOIKS! 
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Yumi Murakami
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12-27-2005 15:59
From: Vivianne Draper - Most folks would get free stuff at Yadni's and never shop. After all, why should we pay for stuff over and above what we give to LL?
Envy factor. There's not many events where you can feel that you really missed out by not attending. On the other hand, if someone has a just plain coolier/sexier/furrier avatar than you, then.. From: someone - People would say "I don't ever shop because its too hard to find the good shops with all the crap that's out there"
That's because if you don't find the event in time, it's over and gone. The shop is there forever.
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Siggy Romulus
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If These Threads Were Like The Events List...
12-27-2005 16:22
there'd be a million of them - all saying the the same shit till we were utterly sick of the sight of them and stopped bothering to look because its the same old crap........
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Aliasi Stonebender
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12-27-2005 16:27
From: Yumi Murakami That's because if you don't find the event in time, it's over and gone. The shop is there forever.
Except, of course, for repeating events. I'm thinking of Zonax Delorean's Primworx Show and Tell, or the Shelter's Payment Podium/Trivial Obsession, or (blows horn) my own Tuesday Primtionary. Actually, aside from the gameshows, the Shelter has a regular schedule of stuff they don't always post to the events list proper. This doesn't help for one-time-only events, true, but finding something good and sticking to the same day and time every week helps for those that are repeatable.
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Ravenelle Zugzwang
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12-27-2005 16:28
From: Siggy Romulus there'd be a million of them - all saying the the same shit till we were utterly sick of the sight of them and stopped bothering to look because its the same old crap........ *applauds*
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Eggy Lippmann
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12-28-2005 07:41
This is a very interesting comparison... and a valid one at that. In the content vs events duality, we must keep in mind that events are non-reproducible, which is a major pressure factor in keeping most of them simple, while "quality" events are scarce. By non-reproducible I mean that you cannot simply design an event like you do with an object, set it down and let it sell. Not for the general case at least. We could certainly create events that are more content-centric instead of people-centric. We see that happen with Tringo and clubs. You go to any Tringo parlor or club house, and you get the same kind of experience everywhere. Movies are also a good, reproducible sort of event for those who can afford the bandwidth. Game show types of events can be made more reproducible if you work hard to automate the game part of the show. What types of events are there, anyway?
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Newfie Pendragon
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12-28-2005 08:30
From: Siggy Romulus there'd be a million of them - all saying the the same shit till we were utterly sick of the sight of them and stopped bothering to look because its the same old crap........ Shhhh - dont give away the secret! - Newfie
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