OnArt landholdings suck

I thought some thing was up when this group bought the land to the side and behind my plot.

Now i find they have banned me from the plot at the rear so i cant even get out of my back gate even though they have just dumped some bullshit advertising cube on the plot.

It's this sort of crap that is really putting me off SL, too many greedy assholes.

It would be nice if we didnt have to bring all of the rl crap into sl.

How about linden owned land in between plots so we have a bit of space to walk about etc. so this bs cant happen!

If someone's ban lines are hampering access to your land, you have an A/R-able case. Contact a Linden.

Fly

I dont like flying if i dont have do, it's gets affected by lag too much and you can end up anywhere

At least if you walk or i'm on my motorbike which i use a lot and you get lagged you are stopped by the land at some point.

Sorry about the rant before it was harsher than i meant, but banning me most likely just so i will rent the land off them is a bit damn cheeky.

*shrugs* the way of both worlds i guess, just as well i have a sea view

Have they specifically banned you? or have they simply restricted access to their group?

They have specifically banned me, just took screen shot just in case.

I have IM'd the group owner asking if boxing me in was really necessary, so i will await the reply.

btw i like the burnout if thats you

Yes it is

Banning you from the land is not considered a form of abuse. Besides, its only 2 sides of your plot. It's only when they wall you in with very tall walls with the sole intention of not letting you out or in easily, then its considered abuse.

Any reason why they banned you by the way? The forums are not the best place to post this specifically about another person. If you genuinely had a question to ask, asking a Linden in world or on Live Help would have answered your queries.

Sounds suspiciously like land sale harassment to me. Though I reserve judgement for the moment.

This thread is coming from someone who had fenced in his property with a red security "ban everyone" ribbon... SHALL I LAUGH?

http://www.onart.com/SecondLife%202006-02-28%2008-35-25-26.jpg

You ban my access to your land, i ban yours to mine.

So easy this is...

Other than that I will file a complaint aboiut the language in this post now and might consider banning you on another 600 parcels - have a great day.

OnArt

Why do the forums sometimes make me feel like I'm observing 2nd graders at recess? *sigh*

Cause that's what it is... Guess why I usually don't read them unless I get pointed to them....

I remember the first time I saw ban lines in SL in early 2004, I was in shock. Kinda ruins the feel of community...and I'm seeing it more and more. What is so important to hide (which isn't really hidden, by the way) that more and more folks are setting their default to be banning? You're basically just issueing a challenge to griefers by doing so.

You're much more likely to get the privacy you want by NOT putting on ban lines and making people think there's nothing interesting to see!

Regards,

-Flip

Thanks, Flip, you're so right.

Personally I'm sick and tired of seeing this crap bleed through walls and ruin the landscape, of having to fly around them etc... even more those famous "home security" scripts aka decent griefer tools - thus i react on them now by replicating the "favour".

I have no understanding either why people move into a public online community just to be left alone.

It is more fun when people know you are ignoring them.

That is a really mean thing to say about 2nd graders. A very high percentage of 2nd graders are quite capable of interacting with each other in a pleasant and intelligent manner.

True, there is a small percent of 2nd graders with emotional, intellectual, behavioral, and other impairments whose actions might remind one of many Second Life forum users, but still , there's just no reason to insult 2nd graders in general by implying they behave as badly as the Second Life forum users are allowed and choose to behave.

In just ten years, one can go from being the worst behaved 2nd grader around to posting in the Second Life forums. Here one gets rewarded for being a champion of freedom for the exact same type of behavior that got one a trip to the principal's office earlier.

Probably would have been neat to do all that before you posted this to the forum.

As to OnArt, I've had no less than three opportunities to deal with MarmelaGramela and each occasion was very positive. I'm sure there's something more to the story here.

So, er, what, this is part of a campaign against ban lines?

Do you ban everyone who has ban lines up from OnArt property then?

Don't you think there's a certain disparity here?

If you sell or rent land such a campaign would make some sense; people really do not like ban lines so land right next to them would be more difficult to move.


If you are against general bans, banning individuals who make use of them would not be incongruous. Many people are against general bans almost all would agree banning someone harassing you is appropriate. There are quite a number of people who view ban lines as a form of harassment.

The disparity that I'm talking about is that

(a) OnArt holds vastly more land than this one chap, so blanket banning from all land would prevent free movement across a lot of mainland - there's loads of their cubes on land near me, and new ones pop up daily in unexpected places when people sell on;

(b) More locally, nobody actually lives on or uses this land so his ban doesn't affect anyones lives (well, not unless they want to walk across his plot) whereas having the land around him ban him does affect his life.

I'd like to say that I absolutely hate ban lines and would like the system to work only on "ban" lists, not "allow" lists. Almost as much as I hate hearing "you have ten seconds to leave the area". I quite agree with Marmela on that point. But it's not like we're actually comparing two people of equal status here. It's hardly the usual situation of one neighbour saying "you can't come onto my land" and another saying "well fine then you can't come onto mine".

edit: It would also surprise me if there weren't other places with ban lines right next to OnArt property, and I bet they're not all rewarded with bans. If they are, that would at least be consistent.

But, but, but, Linden Lab is all about Community® or is it "Linden Lab like to Tell Customers to Shove Community up their Arse and Buy an Island instead"? I always forget.

Slaine Mauriac is banned from the OnArt parcel to his west. He is not banned from the OnArt parcel to his north. You would lose such a bet, the OnArt parcel north of him is banning someone else next to it with a general ban.

General bans prevent free movement across a lot of the mainland already. It is just by piecemeal.


People do live next to him. It does effect them at least insofar as when they look in his direction they will see them and when they leave their plot in his direction they will be required to fly up first.

The OnArt land is trying to get people to live on those parcels; his ban lines hinder that goal thus they also effect the people in the OnArt group even if they do not actually live on the land in question.


It is.

Free will is a bitch.

So is inconsistency in stated principles and actions. One may even say it approaches knowing misrepresentation. From What is Second Life:To which there probably ought be added a disclaimer: