secondlife has 65K paying users?

http://www.mmogchart.com/

Second Life (Accuracy Rating: A)

After its low-key launch in June 2003, Second Life has been showing slowly accelerating growth. As Second Life offers a tiered pricing structure with basic free accounts, accurate numbers for those currently paying to play the game have been difficult to come by. As of May 2006, Second Life has approximately 65,000 paying subscribers. http://secondlife.com/


wonder if philip opened the books to bruce

If any user wishes to pay me L$65K then I have no complaints.

Lewis

either you have a very obscure sense of humour or you might want to do a little more re-reading

It's called humour.

65,000 paying accounts out of 300,000...... that's less than 25%.

Out of those 65,000..... how many are online at any given time? Based on 6000 in world at any given time (which is actually an overestimation but it's a convenient figure to work from) it's fair to assume that only of them 1,500 are premium users.

6,000 out of 300,000 is..... 2% of the playerbase online at most?

That isn't an impressive figure by any means. You can thank LL's fake advertising for that.

Lewis

146k unique account logins in the last 60 days... that's nearly 50% of the playerbase and shows that it's a very large amount of active players...

And that is a very impressive figure, whether you want to admit it or not.


Of course, your calculations seem to imply that only 6,000 players ever play... you're not really saying that... are you?

I dunno. Where I come from, someone who lastchecked 59 days ago wouldn't be considered particularly active.

Not the same 6,000 every day, but the most I ever see online is 6,000 whenever I look. Even giving 30,000 "regular players" is, I believe, somewhat of an overestimation.

146,000 unique logins? How many of those logged in once and never came back? Can they be counted as active players? Most definitely not.

If I have 4 alts, does that count me as 5 unique account logins or one person with 5 accounts?

Figures can be easily spun to make them look good from the part of Linden Labs... yet many of us who play regularly take these claims with a pinch of salt; and a big one at that.

Lewis

by any estimation, secondlife is one of the great wonders of the world.

even if it is being mismanaged and we are all a bunch of screwups.

yeesh.

Unfortunately, we've no way of knowing whether it was someone who last checked 59 days ago or not... but the odds of many of them being like that are very, very low...
Work on the stipends... L$13M last week...

L$13M stipends would need a minimum of 26,000 premium accounts only... now, we know that it's roughly 1 premium to 10 basic accounts, so... (come on, do the maths with me...)
If we had 20,000 premiums, we'd need 60,000 basics to compensate for the loss of stipend, but it's not the 1:10 that we need, is it? That ratio is reached at... *drum roll* 13,000 premiums, and 130,000 basics... or, roughly 143,000 regular players in the last week...

30,000 an overestimation? It's more like a vast underestimate!


:extra edit: you could try to make a case for a lot of the premiums being the players, but for every 1,000 premiums you take off that number, you add 10,000 basics... and we KNOW that basic make the majority of players... no matter what, the figure is more like the LL figure than yours.See above... and learn...5 unique... I can't really believe you asked that.As you've seen above, you've just wasted a HUGE pinch of salt and made some very wrong assumptions...

Hope you learned something today... like, investigate and understand before spouting guesswork.

It is not only that there is 65k paying customers out of 300k, there is only 65k customers period. All the rest are alts.

lol

It sounds like he did. I have a lot of faith in Sir Bruce's charts and the scientific integrity of his work, and have had since the charts began. Notice, too, that he gives his Second Life figures an A confidence rating, indicating even more strongly that it was on the word of an insider. (Plus, I don't think any of us have seen any other figures like this forthcoming from SL on any website - correct me if we have - and Sir Bruce generally indicates when other reports have been his sources anyway.)

The question then becomes: What is a paying subscriber? Is it those currently paying for a premium account? I doubt that. Or does it also include those who once paid $10 for a basic account? I would be inclined to think that is the case. That would mean a large portion of the current people we have over 65k came after the requirement to pay $10 was dropped, and I think that sounds about right.

And then there's the question: Is this everyone who ever HAS paid, but may no longer be active.

coco

This, class, is called "talking out of your ass."

Well, however they are defined, I wish a few more of them would buy my stuff.

We can thank it for bringing us Lewis Nerd. Or not.

Glad you're so happy here mate, thanks for spreading your particular brand of sunshine everywhere you go!

That advertising did NOT bring me here, it was people talking about SL on another game website that made me decide to come along and see what the fuss was all about.

In other words, the creativity put into the content created by other players for people to enjoy. Just the way it should be. After all, without us who create things, SL would consist of the welcome area and everyone looking like Ruth.

Lewis

I beg your pardon!

I have been following Sir Bruce's chart for years, and it is about as scientific as you can get in a situation where most game companies are not going to give you much info about subscriber numbers.

Though some do - read how he conducts his analysis, and you will see what I mean.

coco

coco it probably includes premium + people buying L$ from the lindex or people who are renting or both

Lewis let me lead you by the hand so you wont get lost. I want you to check the main SL webpage https://secondlife.com/ at 7:30 PM tomorrow and again on Tuesday at the same time and tell me how many users you see. Last Tuesday I saw 8008 logged in between 7 and 8 PM SL time.

Remember there's a whole world outside the US borders. I have better things to do at what will be, to me, 3.30am - like sleep - than check a website.

I monitor the figures based on the time that I am usually on. That has not changed a great deal despite the 50,000 new signups over the past few weeks - which returns me to my original thought that most of these are just alts of existing users.

Lewis

Or maybe, just maybe, they're people from places like... Australia, Japan, China... that side of the world.

You know... places that are awake while you're asleep...



Never let it be said that you base your conclusions on the limited assumptions that you deride when others do it.

No assumptions whatsoever.

I was told to look inworld at 7.30pm game time, which to me is 3.30am, when I will be sleeping.

100% factual (unless it's as hot as last night, when I may not sleep that well and could possibly be awake, but the computer is downstairs and I don't plan to be.

Lewis

On the contrary... you have assumed that because there is no vast increase in people online when you are, that the increase in accounts is mainly alts.


If you are unable to see the flaw in that argument, let me point it out for you... there is an entire world outside the borders of Europe, and people have better things to do than log in at what would be, for them, 3.30am...

I'm often up to Ungodly hours here, 3 and 4 pm
sometimes later
and Lewis, I can confirm, theres a shitload more people on SL once youre off to bed.

I liked the numerical analysis on the previous page Tiger, good job. What you say also ties in with what Philip was saying: opening up SL by removing imposed payment confirmation for each account, to encourage people outside of their main American - Western European markets.

It's really been far too soon to draw any conclusive conclusions though, unless your name is Lewis in which case the answer is always, LL sucks at something.