Why wednesday patch
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Calranthe Charlton
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02-07-2006 09:56
Why is it from now on patches will always be on wednesday ?
ALot of people work a non standard week and unfortunatly wednesday is there off day.
I can not see the justification in weekly patches, 2 weekly, 4 weekly, but it takes 1-2 days after each patch for the system to right itself, do we really need a weekly downtime is SL that broken ?
And for the record wednesday isn't my off day i'm just hearing from alot of my friends who feel they are being made to suffer due to lindens decision on this.
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Luciftias Neurocam
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02-07-2006 10:00
From: Calranthe Charlton Why is it from now on patches will always be on wednesday ?
ALot of people work a non standard week and unfortunatly wednesday is there off day.
I can not see the justification in weekly patches, 2 weekly, 4 weekly, but it takes 1-2 days after each patch for the system to right itself, do we really need a weekly downtime is SL that broken ?
And for the record wednesday isn't my off day i'm just hearing from alot of my friends who feel they are being made to suffer due to lindens decision on this. Because all the Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday off people decided that Wednesday was the best day for it.
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Polka Pinkdot
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02-07-2006 10:01
What day would you suggest? No matter what day the Lindens use, there are going to be people with time off who are annoyed that they can't get in the game.
For all we know, they looked at their traffic statistics and chose the day with the least traffic. Of course once the maintenence window is on that day, it's pretty much guarenteed to have the lowest traffic. :/
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Clarrice Cinquetti
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02-07-2006 10:05
Wednesday is considered *hump day* in some places...
I guess it depends on your definition of *hump*
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Calranthe Charlton
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02-07-2006 10:07
From: Polka Pinkdot What day would you suggest? No matter what day the Lindens use, there are going to be people with time off who are annoyed that they can't get in the game.
For all we know, they looked at their traffic statistics and chose the day with the least traffic. Of course once the maintenence window is on that day, it's pretty much guarenteed to have the lowest traffic. :/ I'd say get your act together and do monthly patches, I'd say rotate on different days so one group of people don't get hit so badly. I'd say cancel account and find a game that doesn't get worse with each patch, Sorry i'm just frustrated, and the ONLY reason im staying atm is 2 people and the Investment in the island sim I bought. Actually thats a lie, I see alot of possibilities in sl but im getting tired of the problems.
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Cheyenne Marquez
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02-07-2006 10:09
Updating once every two weeks might be a suitable compromise.
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ZsuZsanna Raven
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02-07-2006 10:12
From: Calranthe Charlton I'd say rotate on different days so one group of people don't get hit so badly.
I agree, but You know that already *hugz*
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Calranthe Charlton
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02-07-2006 10:12
From: Cheyenne Marquez Updating once every two weeks might be a suitable compromise. I'd agree to that, I just cant invision the conversation in lindens labs going like this. Prog0"Hey I found a fix to the %&%$ error" Prog1"WE haveto I mean HAVETO get it in this week!!" Prog0"Well if we mess it up we can fix it NEXT week!!" Prog1"Right on lets schedule a patch this weekly patching really helps"
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Calranthe Charlton
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02-07-2006 10:13
From: ZsuZsanna Raven I agree, but You know that already *hugz* *hugs* *bounces* *snuggles*
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Burke Prefect
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02-07-2006 10:58
Changing days each day would be nice. Maybe they can stack up a Preview grid or just stick people in the Cornfield during the wait.
Or... set up nine sims with a small asset server (like preview) and give people a free combat zone and some guns to play with. Done.
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AJ DaSilva
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02-07-2006 10:59
LL have stated why the use Wednesdays - it's best for getting ready for the patch and being there in case there's problems afterwards. They've also said they're probably going to go to patching every other week rather than weekly.
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Calranthe Charlton
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02-07-2006 11:05
From: AJ DaSilva LL have stated why the use Wednesdays - it's best for getting ready for the patch and being there in case there's problems afterwards. They've also said they're probably going to go to patching every other week rather than weekly. So they are thinking of there own comfort in patching on wednesday gives them 2 days to get ready and 2 days after to fix any problems before weekend. where as they should be thinking of there customers EVERY one of them not just the ones that are comfortable.
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Metawraith Mistral
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02-07-2006 11:09
Well once they move to bi-weekly patches I hope they devote more time to testing them and thinking of the implications.
Right now they seem to have a track record that goes something like this.
1) Respond to some minority pressure group with a tweak requiring a patch. 2) Don't test it sufficiently, 3) Dont consider the implications 4) Following week rush out another patch to fix bugs and undesirable features introduced by the previous patch.
It seems like the programmers at LL think that DEBUGGING means the process by which one set of bugs is replaced by another.
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AJ DaSilva
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02-07-2006 11:09
From: Calranthe Charlton So they are thinking of there own comfort in patching on wednesday gives them 2 days to get ready and 2 days after to fix any problems before weekend.
where as they should be thinking of there customers EVERY one of them not just the ones that are comfortable. Well, I guess they could move it to Tuesday... but surely that'd just annoy all the people with tuesday off?
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AJ DaSilva
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02-07-2006 11:14
From: Metawraith Mistral Well once they move to bi-weekly patches I hope they devote more time to testing them and thinking of the implications.
Right now they seem to have a track record that goes something like this.
1) Respond to some minority pressure group with a tweak requiring a patch. 2) Don't test it sufficiently, 3) Dont consider the implications 4) Following week rush out another patch to fix bugs and undesirable features introduced by the previous patch.
It seems like the programmers at LL think that DEBUGGING means the process by which one set of bugs is replaced by another. Seems a little sensationalist to me... I can only think of a couple of times it seems they've caved to the pressure groups. And as far as testing goes - they can't test it any better than they do. We've seen previous updates running on a preview grid without any problems, only to find that problems occur when put under the load caused by thousands of people on the main grid.
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Burke Prefect
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02-07-2006 11:15
From: Calranthe Charlton So they are thinking of there own comfort in patching on wednesday gives them 2 days to get ready and 2 days after to fix any problems before weekend.
They should alternate days. But... the majority of the audience is off doing things around that time.
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Calranthe Charlton
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02-07-2006 11:15
From: Calranthe Charlton So they are thinking of there own comfort in patching on wednesday gives them 2 days to get ready and 2 days after to fix any problems before weekend.
where as they should be thinking of there customers EVERY one of them not just the ones that are comfortable. I'm tired I'm tired of the bugs I'm tired of spending $195 a month and $950 for a server only to find out there is multiple sims on that server. I'm tired of the patches that break more than they fix.. I never question that Lindens are trying, i've never met a not nice linden but the situation on sl is not getting better even with patches. nothing new should be added to SL and a freeze on new free accounts until the game performance and asset server is redone. find a way to delete all the unused textures, the giga's of unused backups, limit the inventory of free accounts, do something make some decisions even if its hard ones.
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Zapoteth Zaius
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02-07-2006 11:21
Its simple, its not just for their comfort.
Wednesday they have 2 days to test the patch to make sure nothing awful will go wrong, Monday or Tuesday may not give them enough time to spot something, meaning they'd have to spend the rest of the week taking off and online fixing things, more complaints.
Thursday and Friday they wouldn't have enough time before the weekend before fixing all the minor things that happen after an update, more complaints on having to put up with them over the weekend, being the time most people are on (I imagine).
They are doing them more reguarily than normal recently, have they announced its going to be every Wednesday every week? I'm sure as long as they haven't said EVERY Wednesday it'll ease up soon.
Wednesday makes the best sense all together.
As for rotating, while it makes a nice idea, its good to have a routine to follow when doing these things, the people essential to the update know what days they need to come in, and the people doing it know all round where they are, making it more efficent.
They'll always be complaints.
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Gabe Lippmann
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02-07-2006 11:21
From: Calranthe Charlton So they are thinking of there own comfort in patching on wednesday gives them 2 days to get ready and 2 days after to fix any problems before weekend.
where as they should be thinking of there customers EVERY one of them not just the ones that are comfortable. Scheduling them in such a way as to provide LL the best ability to be prepared prior to and to be responsive immediately after is thinking about the customer. On a side note, why doesn't LL send someone to my house to download the newest versions while I'm at work so that I don't have to waste time doing it when I get home? This would be good customer service and somthing that LL doesn't take seriously enough.
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Calranthe Charlton
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02-07-2006 11:25
From: Zapoteth Zaius Its simple, its not just for their comfort.
Wednesday they have 2 days to test the patch to make sure nothing awful will go wrong, Monday or Tuesday may not give them enough time to spot something, meaning they'd have to spend the rest of the week taking off and online fixing things, more complaints.
Thursday and Friday they wouldn't have enough time before the weekend before fixing all the minor things that happen after an update, more complaints on having to put up with them over the weekend, being the time most people are on (I imagine).
They are doing them more reguarily than normal recently, have they announced its going to be every Wednesday every week? I'm sure as long as they haven't said EVERY Wednesday it'll ease up soon.
Wednesday makes the best sense all together.
As for rotating, while it makes a nice idea, its good to have a routine to follow when doing these things, the people essential to the update know what days they need to come in, and the people doing it know all round where they are, making it more efficent.
They'll always be complaints. There is no way the code so fast that they couldn't do bi weekly or monthly patches on a known day and have 3 weeks to test and prepare and code than rushing in weekly patches that HAVETO be done on wednesday because its a weekly patch
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AJ DaSilva
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02-07-2006 11:29
From: Calranthe Charlton There is no way the code so fast that they couldn't do bi weekly or monthly patches on a known day and have 3 weeks to test and prepare and code than rushing in weekly patches that HAVETO be done on wednesday because its a weekly patch But doing smaller patches more regularly makes it quicker to find and fix any problems that new patches cause and keeps things running better for more of the time. I'd expect it's less likely to cause big problems too.
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Burke Prefect
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02-07-2006 11:29
From: Gabe Lippmann Scheduling them in such a way as to provide LL the best ability to be prepared prior to and to be responsive immediately after is thinking about the customer.
On a side note, why doesn't LL send someone to my house to download the newest versions while I'm at work so that I don't have to waste time doing it when I get home? This would be good customer service and somthing that LL doesn't take seriously enough. Remote Desktop, dude! You can't download a tiny little client like that?
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Riann Maltese
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02-07-2006 11:58
Well you seem pretty pissed off. I am very happy they're doing weekly patches.
If you're so tired of the bugs you'd be happy they're doing weekly patches too. For instance this next wednesday they are finally fixing a bug in SL thats been in since 1.7 where us animators cant roll hips with out the legs sliding around. And thats how many months too late?
You also have to remember that the main tree of SL is partitioned so that some people are working on this or that part. One group may finish their bug fix or feature sooner than another group. Then time to integrate and test these things may take longer than a week. But by having weekly rolls you can insure that the people in SL have the most up to date SL experience.
As for your problems I think if LL could patch independantly from making the entire grid unavailable it would solve many of your problems. For instance taking some sections down individually and bringing it back up after a shorter ammount of time.
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AJ DaSilva
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02-07-2006 12:01
From: Riann Maltese As for your problems I think if LL could patch independantly from making the entire grid unavailable it would solve many of your problems. For instance taking some sections down individually and bringing it back up after a shorter ammount of time. They're actually working on being able to do this! Yay! 
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vivi Odets
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02-07-2006 12:05
From: Clarrice Cinquetti Wednesday is considered *hump day* in some places...
I guess it depends on your definition of *hump* /me sings: my hump, my hump, my lovely lady lumps (check it out!) /me hangs head in shame...
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