slstats.com: You can't opt out.

You know, you should learn to look past a picture, there could be a meaning behind it. Not saying there is.

good lord, are you asking me to use my brain.. meh i think you just did it cause you like blue

Oh you people. http://w-hat.com/name2key

oh you say the sweetest things

Actually I do.

LOL

Lessee, a privacy violating website created by the largest group of asshats in SL. Yeah, real class group for Mark to be a part of (W-hat violates privacy, so I can too! yeah!). Most folks wouldn't WANT to be compared in their dealings with others to W-hat or other SA-affiliated groups.

And again, just because something is TECHNICALLY possible does not mean it should be done from an ethical standpoint.

How about this then? http://www.ulrikasheim.org/tools/name2key.html

And what makes you think Mark is a part of w-hat?

I am not sure if this is ironic directed towards me, or ironic directed at yourself, or ironic directed towards others...This is therefore the perfect post!

I would try to hide my own raging envy except I don't actually have much rage. Everytime I am called upon to produce rage, I decide I'd rather have some toast.

Ulrika lets you opt out, she honors opt-outs, and you can verify you are opted out (I know, I did and I checked). mark only PARTIALLY removes you, hides that fact behind a log in so you have to get an alt or a friend to check and has told us he would remove us. He did not.

Ulrika's keybase is a class act. Mark is little better than W-Hat. (note, I did not say he was W-hat, but in the same CLASS of website operator as W-hat with his phony opt-out).

Also, Ulrika didn't cop an attitude when I asked how to opt out. She told me...didn't give me cubes iwth multiple questions and skulls to try to be a smartass.

So you don't like that people can see your SL ratings, which are useless anyways?

I have NO problem with it...INGAME. Take the data out of game, I have a problem with it. Though to be honest, i wish there was an anonymous mode where we could hide all but our name in our profile.

I just tested that SLStats.com is indeed opt-in.

Anyone not already in the database and not wearing a watch themselves will not be added.

However, it seems like anyone who was already in the database and didn't opt out yet is no longer able.. It's not obvious whether this group of people is already in the process of being removed or is just going to remain.

Big deal. Are some people satisfied?

I mean granted, i do see where some people will say, well they can see my location without being a friend, and that opens people up to a possible griefing situation, but who honestly gives a damn about stats? wohoo...

But that isn't correct. They can't see the loaction. All the can do is see who has been around you, not who you have been around.

Ordinal Malaprop's SLStats Profile

I took the chance and set myself up with a watch since some people who back up this site seem to refuse to help calm people's minds in favor of trolling. Seems like those who Opted out before the Opt-In program still have profiles while those who haven't opted out don't show up in the database as far as I've seen.

I wux Nim <3<3 lmao

And I can't believe this.. *ponders* I think I heard somewhere everyone has an opinion.. If that is in fact true then why all the arguing and pointing fingers.. Ethics isn't something *everyone* cares about.. And some interpert things more loosley than others. So just relax and everything will work itself out.. So stop whining be adult about this or *more* adult that you have all been so far..


That being said I have one last comment YOU BROKE IT *cries*

OK folks, I can't explain that entry on Ordinal, and I am certainly NOT an apologist for or a fan of Marks service. I have been one of the most vocal opponents to the unauthorized publishing of user data, especially regarding who meets with whom. But last night, about 6:30 PM SL time, I ran an independant test, and it seemed to confirm that Mark was no longer collecting new data on anyone who has not signed up to wear a watch. Maybe he hasn't purged the old stuff, but no new stuff is being added.

I never owner or used a slstats watch. I never went anywhere near a watch wearer until the test that I cite below. I did opt out using one of the cubes, which I had Mark send to me directly, just as soon as they became available, and before anyone had managed to scan me.

Last night, After Mark assured everyone that his site now discards scanned user names that are not subscribers to his service, I met with a watch wearer at Mark's store, and chatted with that user (An alt for a fellow who had used the alt to test the watch a bit). We talked for over 5 minutes, and then had him check his record to see if he had 'seen' me. He sent me a screen shot, with me in the background and the time stamp in the corner. My name was NOT listed as having just encountered him, about 8 minutes after meeting him.

I also asked him to search for my name, Ceera Murakami, and he said I did not show up. If some watch owner wants to cross-check that, they can search for Ceera Murakami in the slstats.com site and see if they find me. I should not exist in his site, anywhere at all.

Ron? Would you search for me please?

sheeesh, who would use x-fire?!?!

So hows Icewater?

Just a point of note: Name2Key databases are essential for many non-nefarious script functions. Because there is no llName2Key function in LSL (yet), many scripters depend on external Name2Key databases to make certain things work.

Ulrika was the first to offer a Name2Key service, over a year ago. The discussion over Name2Key went very much like this one is going, and Ulrika offered an opt-out to make her initial public service more palitable to the forum community.

Since then, many other Name2Key databases have appeared - some of them maintained by quite reputable SL residents. None of them, (to my knowledge) offer an opt-out. Nor should they, IMHO.

A list of keys of everyone you have recently encountered (deja vu: Mark) is also located on each of our C: drives if you're running windows, and while its encrypted - the method to decrypt it is simple, and publically searchable in these forums.

In fact, it is these name.cache files specifically, that Ulrika uses to populate her own database - as do many other folks.

I had it at one point, but no one I knew used it so I uninstalled it.

Ceera, you're not showing up. I'm not sure if he only removed those who cried the loudest or simply missed a few, but no new data seems to be entered. Personally I still think he should remove the scanner and let the back end figure out who's seen who with a watch on.

[ron]"Nobody matched your search criteria."[/ron]

Cold.

Thank you Ron. I appreciate you taking the time to ease my own concerns on that. This verifies that there wasn't simply a lag between when I was scanned and when I might have been reported on the site.

All told, I was within range of the person wearing the watch for well over 15 minutes, enough time for it to have scanned me roughly 180 times and reported to the SLStats server two to three times. Proof enough to me that I am now immune to being recorded. (Unless, perhaps, the volunteer who wore the watch had turned off his watch's script? Nah... I have no reason to believe that.)

Yes, your alternative of having his watches only send the location of the watch wearer to his servers, and then having it calculate which watch wearers were within 20 meters of each other based on their position location, would indeed be the least lag-inducing and most security-conscious method. Of course, figuring out how to do those calculations might be more difficult for him than having it all spewed to his server on a platter... Not to mention that if he ever got more than a few hundred users, the calculation load might bring his server to it's knees...