is torley ever going to be thought of as a linden

I treat good old Torley the same as I treat all Lindens...as an employee of mine. After all I do pay their salaries.

This is based solely on forum presence, posts and information "revealed" in the forums as I think I've run into Torley exactly twice...

1.Torley doesn't seem to feel that there needs to be a separation between his/her own "insights, posts and permutations" (my words, not Torley's) as shown in this response to the poster's original comment - for just one example.
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Especially in that particular forum, personal commentary about an avatar's name seems to be less than professional at best and completely superfluous to the question asked at the least even though it is obviously not intended as anything approaching insulting, which it could be viewed as based on the flippant tone and personal nature of an avatar's name. Think about it, what's more personal than an avatar's name and here we have a Linden making a comment on it in a public forum. That particular forum is for SERIOUS questions and serious questions deserve serious responses I would think. Any deviation from that only amounts to creating or increasing the noise level inherent in textual communication. For a Linden to even compliment another avatar in such a forum lends the weight of the entire corporation to that particular comment, whatever that might be, it seems.

2. If Lindens CAN have a partner listed in his/her profile, as Torley apparently does, then that strongly implies that favoritism by LL employees is not only to be expected but WILL be tolerated --- notice that I did not say that it would be official policy for such favoritism to actually occur by Torley and partner. "Partnering" is officially recognized by LL as "having a special relationship" that is publicly acknolwedged in LL's own verbiage on the website, in PR materials and in public commentary in numerous articles and interviews about SL by LL employees.

3. That Torley now has only ONE account with all of the previous inventory and money from the previous account and that Torley continues to engage in even a limited amount of commercial activity selling watermelon-colored whatever's suggests that this will become a "normalized policy" for all Lindens. This in turn wil create angst, argument and envy-related problems as "Linden-created content" vs "non-Linden created and approved" content disccussions are likely to ensue and further feed the now-infamous "FIC exists" discussions.

The above leads to what I believe to be the only possible conclusion, Torley will never be thought of as anything but a Linden from this point yet that is not necessarily a good thing for the community -- nothing against Torley at all. The distance between Lindens and other residents is just that - official. As seen so often in drama-threads, the only one one must actually listen to in SL is a Linden. Other residents merely have the right to complain - and complaints being noise, can be ignored. Yet Torley can now never not be in world as "not a Linden" due to the lack of another surname. Consider the situation of an off-duty cop who never takes his uniform off - one is not allowed to forget the fact that the person is a cop.

So, Torley's own forum-signature, "Linden nee Torgeson" even being viewed as a joke is actually a public acknowledgement that Torley and LL know that Torley will never cease to be seen as a Linden from now on - even should that official relationship end. At this point, to sever that relationship in the "public mind" would require "Torley" to die as an account --- and should the account holder desire return to/continue on in SL, to act differently (sans watermelon preference, for example), with a different typing style, and with different behaviors lest the previous identity be guessed. I suggest that it might even be necessary for IPs to be changed if true anonimity were desired.

At this point, for ill or good, Torley and Linden, in my mind at least, are linked permanently.

At a personal level, I could care less. At a resident-relating-to-a-corporation-level it concerns me insofar as it represents the corporate policy changing yet again.

"Wise men don't need to prove their point;
men who need to prove their point aren't wise.
The Master has no possessions.
The more he does for others, the happier he is.
The more he gives to others, the wealthier he is.
The Tao nourishes by not forcing.
By not dominating, the Master leads." ~ Lao Tsu

this is one i'm going to answer without reading other posts. haha

Personaly, as long as I've been around, I don't think of the Lindens any differently than us. So nah. Torely will always be Torley.. just as Philip willl always be Philip. At least in my book.

Torley is Torley and I think that's just fine!

I absolutely and definitely will and do think of Torley as a Linden now.

Anyone with the last name Linden, i'm going to be on my best behavior around, and not assume that I can "pal around" as such. They're the boss of you. End of line.

If a Linden -indicates- to me that they can be talked to casually, as some have on occasion, then I'll do it. Until then, it's "sir" and other forms of formal respect.

As far as I'm concerned, if Torley is around, Torley is in charge, and can tell me what to do and what not to do in SL, as can any other Linden.

That's how it works, and that's how SL keeps running; it can't fall into anarchy, and there has to be some form of administration; and the Lindens are the administrators and purveyors of this entertainment service which we subscribe to under certain terms of service.

Bad idea Pendari. First of all, I'm about as 'old' as you are on here. (One month 'newer') - about 2.5 years.

Remember that age has NOTHING. to do with *actual* legitimate status in SL.

You're either a Resident or a Linden. That's really all there is to it.

After the third time she lays down some heavy handed Linden smack on some idiots head, then yes, she will be thought of as a Linden.

Now, having said that, I'll admit I'm still not too sure of what her 'official' job is.

Exactly. Or the first time some idiot thinks they can give her crap because of her former status.

It's not hard to stay out of trouble in SL. Sometimes makes me wonder about the people who -are- getting in trouble all the time.

qft

Torley is obviously one of the Tuatha Dé Danann. Sing, dance, laugh, and be merry in her ethereal presence- but beware offending the Lin... Tuatha's honor! You could find your account placed into a magical sleep.

I must agree with that ... although I have never met Torley in world I have read her posts with great pleasure and she has a clear vision of SL and some of her posts also show that she even have a quite good vision of what it should be ... at least in my mind.

"To be or not to be a Linden that is not the question" Torley will stay Torley I am sure. The only big change I think is that her suggestions will be more listened in LL than before.

So I'd say "may the great waterlinden Kami lead us to virtual multichromatic paradizes"