Rude newbies / fake newbies

Since you quoted me to make this point, may I enquire how, precisely, you are assisting nOObs?

Well, our household owns land on both sides of the protected strip of river that the teleport point is on, so placing any sort of fence there won't work, even if invisible on one side. One home or the other can see both sides.

We have quite a few friends who drop by to socialize on occasion, and several of them are Builders who like to use the open area in front of my home to show us some of their new stuff. So setting the parcel to limited access, or to no-build, makes it much less useful to our legitimate guests. For example, when the rude fellow started building on our front yard, we had a guest inside who was showing us some Avatar prim parts that she was designing. The welcome guest was someone who dropped in for the first time, an accquaintance of my Companion. Thus not someone who would have already been on an access list.

I'm seriously considering some sort of security orb, even though as a general principal I hate the things. (I've been bounced before by am over-zealously set orb when I was just nearby and minding my own business.)

My Companion is an officer in our land group, but I am not. More than once I have wanted to have a friend over, found that someone had turned on access restrictions, and I was unable to have that friend visit, because I couldn't locate one of the group officers.

I think the first thing we're going to do is to re-script all our doors, so they auto-close a short time after they have been opened, and so they can be locked when desired. That will at least eliminate the "Uh, the door was open?" twits. Right... would these same people walk on in to a house in RL and start poking around, if they found the front door open?

I ended up buying a second home, on land that I own, partially so I could have a small space of my own that I could control access to. And it's on a private island, so I get fewer random visitors there. My new house has lockable doors, and windows with working window blinds AND curtains. It's already programmed for a limited access list...

Any way I can.

Oh, is this 'compassionate conservatism'?

Trying to sell you freebies you created? At amazingly high prices?

so much reading... must... play World of Warcraft...

I couldn't agree more.

You can't just pick and choose who you think a "real" new resident is. There's really no way of telling. I'm here to tell you that the residents coming in are far more knowledgable than the group that was hear a year ago. They're quick learners, they've read reviews - they already know most the "complicated" basics.

I think a lot of older residents are simply lacking patience. I, as a new resident, thought the entire grid was open for me to do whatever. If I saw a pretty house, I could go in it. If I heard howling - I knew there was a party. Second Life used to be a lot like that when everyone was still learning. You're always learning though, if you think about it. If you truely want privacy there are ways around it and if you don't KNOW how to obtain privacy on your OWN land then you too are lacking basic knowledge.

There are civil ways to setting things, then there are "other" ways. No, no one likes to be "bothered" - but did they really cause THAT much of a problem? Rezing a few prims - big deal. Anywhere there is the ability to build - someone will be building. If its your land you can prevent this, but otherwise you just have tolerate it.

The lack of tolerance and understanding in SL really bothers me. Complaining about new residents trying to sell "freebie" items when they're most likely just trying to get money to buy items that you've had for a good duration of your SL. In case no one noticed - 90% of "freebies" are crappy. Default hair with different textures, clothes with no definition, skins that when you play with the make up sliders make you look like a Rocky Horror Picture Show reject. Show some compassion.

If their profile says they're new - and they are trying to sell you "freebie" objects and items - send them somewhere that gives out GOOD things for new residents. Six Kennedy gives new residents decent hair for NOTHING. Send them to her! Maybe a wig will make their day so they can stop hustling on the grid like pimps on food stamps. This all is really not a big deal.

You don't want people on your land, fix it. You don't want people selling freebie items to you - send them somewhere they can get good items at a low price. Nothing is unfixable, but I feel too many spend far too much time complaining about easily resolved issues that they don't see how easy it really is.

We were all new once. A person's experience in Second Life and their behaviors are only as good as what they're shown. Try setting an example.

With the new registration system, there are going to be more alts than in the past, no question about it. People with grudges or simply trouble makers will go around mucking things up. Unfortunately, truly new players will be mixed in with this bunch.

Perhaps better land controls or further changes to the registration system would; such as "guest accounts" using the new registration system, "free accounts" which use a CC for verification. Allow guest accounts to upgrade to free after a set time period. While that won't eliminate the hard core griefers, it would filter out the bulk of them.

Then allow land owners an option to deny access to guest accounts. While that would shut out large areas of SL to guests at times, enough would probably still be available by those who have the time to deal with the intermixed new players.

Give SL players the tools, and I bet that 90% of Sl problems can be solved by them.

Thank you Orchid for your thoughtful reply. Yes, there are a lot of valid concerns about LL's new 'unregulated' sign-up policy and I have voiced my concerns on other threads. But the panic and outrage voiced by some on the forums will only lead to SL becoming a more unfriendly place. I expect to see island sims dropping off the map as their owners draw up the portcullis gates in the coming months along with an accelerated flight from the mainland. SL has had it's gated communities from the inception of the private islands and that looks set to become entire gated archipelagos, mini-continents and more.

The end result could transform the mainland into a Transmetroplotian-style anarchic dystopia. Bad for some, but interesting and possibly even a 'draw' for others. Interesting times, eh?

I am newbie. I have run into a LOT of unfriendly oldies in SL.... won't even say hi, hello. Instead they complain about the way you look, how many physical objects you are running on your parcel, talk about banning you from the parcel just being friendly.

I guess oldies are just into themselves too much.

I am newbie. I have run into a LOT of unfriendly oldies in SL.... won't even say hi, hello. Instead they complain about the way you look, how many physical objects you are running on your parcel, talk about banning you from the parcel just being friendly.

I guess oldies are just into themselves too much.

I am newbie. I have run into a LOT of unfriendly oldies in SL.... won't even say hi, hello. Instead they complain about the way you look, how many physical objects you are running on your parcel, talk about banning you from the parcel just being friendly.

I guess oldies are just into themselves too much.

I've had several newbies in the past few weeks wandering around on my property, acting obnoxiously (firing weapons, being insulting, making passes, etc.). What's odd is that my sim is almost entirely residential and I don't understand how a 1-day-old newbie would just randomly appear there. (It took me weeks before I started discovering residential areas.) I do have links to some of my properties in my Picks, but even if people are finding my land that way, I still don't know why a new citizen would have discovered my profile to begin with. I have asked these folks, by the way, before freezing/orbiting/ejecting/banning them, but I've never gotten a straight answer.

Except for one female who was adequately decked-out, they've all been males with orientation island avatars and freebie phalluses (exposed, natch).

Generally, though, I just think it's funny.

After spending all of yesterday up to my tits in alts and n00bs, I have notecarded the following phrases for ease in repeating.

It is considered polite to say hello when you come into an area with people. Someone in the group may be the land owner or have God powers and an itchy eject/ban reflex, so don't forget to say hi.

Never, ever, ever edit something someone is working on. Not only is it very rude, but you may disturb their work. Something may blow up - like you.

Ask before interacting with people's stuff. Especially pose balls. How would you feel if someone came over to your house and started going through drawers and looking under the bed.

I do not give out money or sex. If you are into begging and pain, you should seek out the services of a good Dom.

Although torturing griefers is sometimes entertaining if I'm exceedingly bored, you are not unique or interesting enough to hold my interest. Goodbye.

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On a side note, if I had ARed all the teens who were swarming yesterday - and admitting they were teens, it would take several Lindens several hours to ban them all.

I've seen extra griefing at NCI (including someone who rezzed about 7 animated spiders that pushed people around on the lot and then teleported away - shame they were being misused, the spider animation was really good).

I've also seen a rise in "silly" avs who're created with no intent to explore or develop, but just dropped into the world on the offchance they'll run into someone who shares what they want to do and will presumably kit them out with all they need. Such as a man who asked every female he saw to be his "Mistress" (at least, he did this only in Mature areas though!), and someone whose profile said nothing but that he wanted to be spanked. (Edit: the first names of these avatars were based on those things as well, but I'd better not quote them here because chances are no-one else has those first names so I'd wind up identifying them...) There's a lot of these on most public talkers that I've seen so I guess it's fairly predictable that they'd show up on SL sooner or later..

This newbie came wandering up to me the other day telling me he was new and that he wanted some money. Feeling nice, I gave him L$20. He then proceeded to complain and whine, and I kept telling him I didn't have much more, and I need the money for vendor renting. He then asks how I got all the stuff I'm wearing.
I built that. Tried to teach him how to build. He made a couple of shapes then left.

Jeez. Oh well, it was only 20. XD

I have no problem with any newbies that are polite and willing to ask questions and listen to advice. I'll happily spend half an hour or more with a new person, answering their questions, giving them some reasonably good quality freebies and landmarks for stuff that interests them, and generally trying to get them off to a good start.

Perhaps it would help if part of what new people went through on Orientation Island was a basic lesson on expectations for courteous behavior? Simple things like reminding them to say hello, not entering a building that isn't clearly a place of business without at least attempting to ask permission, etc... But I suspect most of the rude ones I have run into are skipping 90 percent of Orientation, and are hopping shraight to the main grid to do what they bloody well please.

I like the idea of a notecard to hand out to newbies you encounter. I think I might take that a step farther, by having a folder in my inventory with free stuf, landmarks and other stuff appropriate for giving to newbies, but also with appropriate stuff in it for warning people of misbehavior, or dealing with the really bad ones...

I wouldn't be able to find an underground room, and I don't know what a money tree is. As a true Noobie, I am just about totally lost. You guys are getting the not so new noobies...

All it ever takes for me is about 3 questions to determine how serious a newbie is and how worthy they are of my help. The jerks, griefers and idiots don't get any more of my time.

For the others, I offer to answer questions and always ask if they'd like some landmarks I have that sell free/cheap items (including skins). If they mention building or scripting, I have another folder of those landmarks as well. It takes 2 seconds to drag these folders to their avatar, and every one of these folks so far has been appreciative. I even met one female last week who wasn't a native English speaker, but who couldn't get some hair she'd purchased to fit right. I gave her a free posing stand and spent about 20 minutes teaching her how to adjust prims to her body, and I was pleasantly surprised at how quickly she picked it up. I now have a new friend from France

Not all of these people are idiots. It only takes a minute to tell who they are.

Tannah, feel free to IM me in world if you're interested in my landmarks folders, or just need some advice

Could add this:
Saying "hello" in chat to someone who is building is useless as it's difficult to be aware of anything other than what you are editing. Sending an IM with "Profound apologies for disturbing you" as the opening words will however earn you brownie points.

Someone should write a notecard titled "SL etiquette for noobs", containing basic polite behavior and landmarks to freebie places and learning stuff.

As a Noob, I am so glad an "Oldbie" took me under her wing...with absolutely no motive other than to help me. New shape, new clothes, new skin and new hair! OMG Beetje, thank you for helping me with the HAIR!

She taught me how to build and edit as well as the basic do's and dont's. She definitely got me off to a great start and my experiences have all been excellent...I guess I just expected excellent after that!

I keep reading "Rude newbies / fake bewbies" for some reason.

Prim bewbs??? What is the world coming to??????