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Io Zeno
Registered User
Join date: 1 Jun 2006
Posts: 940
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06-13-2006 15:03
From: Delta Czukor The difference between things like WoW and SL is that WoW has just one server per a few thousand users. In SL, the world is split up into a server for each sim/region more or less. There isn't one big huge mega server running the whole SL world, while in WoW, there is.
Thus, LL can just keep adding more sims to support more users. Yeah, that's how I understand it. There a many, many servers running what is described as the Main Grid. |
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Dyne Appin
Junior Member
Join date: 11 Jun 2006
Posts: 28
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06-13-2006 15:06
From: Hobonicus Engel Observation: Each of the simulators running in SL is technically a server, so this has happened several hundred times already.
Numbers: Regardless of user count, EVE Online has a game world that is exponentially larger than that of SL and concurrency of around 25000 players online daily, and yet they still only have one shard.
Also: Does the Teen Grid count as a seperate shard? shard? you mean server right? if so that's only because EVE is run by a vet company, I doubt a n00b company like Linden lab could pull off 25k players at a time. or afford that much on one server. |
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Dyne Appin
Junior Member
Join date: 11 Jun 2006
Posts: 28
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06-13-2006 15:07
From: Delta Czukor The difference between things like WoW and SL is that WoW has just one server per a few thousand users. In SL, the world is split up into a server for each sim/region more or less. There isn't one big huge mega server running the whole SL world, while in WoW, there is.
Thus, LL can just keep adding more sims to support more users. Source? |
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Hobonicus Engel
Uncouth Vagrant
Join date: 6 Nov 2004
Posts: 136
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06-13-2006 15:08
From: Dyne Appin shard? you mean server right? if so that's only because EVE is run by a vet company, I doubt a n00b company like Linden lab could pull off 25k players at a time. or afford that much on one server. Well, it's too late to worry: SL is run on hundreds of servers. A ton of computerboxes hooked up to the intertron, each oozing with the sweet, sweet nectar that is information. I should stop talking like this. |
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Dyne Appin
Junior Member
Join date: 11 Jun 2006
Posts: 28
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06-13-2006 15:09
From: Hobonicus Engel Well, it's too late to worry: SL is run on hundreds of servers. A ton of computerboxes hooked up to the intertron, each oozing with the sweet, sweet nectar that is information.
I should stop talking like this. yeah your making computer language sound sexy |
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Luciftias Neurocam
Ecosystem Design
Join date: 13 Oct 2005
Posts: 742
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06-13-2006 15:14
From: Dyne Appin yeah your making computer language sound sexy Computer language is sexy. For example: sex++;ooh...shivers. That out of the way, yes, it is a fact that LL runs SL on hundreds of servers. I believe the ratio of sim to server is sloser to 1 than it is to zero, but I'm not sure of the actual stats. Void sims are usually multiply hosted on a single server. But the raison de'etre of this place is some kind of distributed computing. Except, well, the asset server. But best to sweep that under the rug for now. |
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Delta Czukor
Registered User
Join date: 30 Dec 2004
Posts: 53
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06-13-2006 15:15
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Derrick Cannoli
Just Somebody
Join date: 4 Sep 2005
Posts: 81
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06-13-2006 15:19
to my knowledge they host up to four sims on a server, or at least i think i remember reading that somewhere.
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Dyne Appin
Junior Member
Join date: 11 Jun 2006
Posts: 28
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06-13-2006 15:21
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Gabe Lippmann
"Phone's ringing, Dude."
Join date: 14 Jun 2004
Posts: 4,219
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06-13-2006 15:23
I love the smell of community in the morning. Try not to abuse the new guy for asking questions. It's not like he brought up SL sex or stipends or something. I know you are all Lords of the Webbz, but man 
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Io Zeno
Registered User
Join date: 1 Jun 2006
Posts: 940
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06-13-2006 15:25
From: Gabe Lippmann I love the smell of community in the morning. Try not to abuse the new guy for asking questions. It's not like he brought up SL sex or stipends or something. I know you are all Lords of the Webbz, but man He's already brought up: S/M porn in clubs and how he stole someone's password and all their inventory, so I guess I'm saying... bring on the stipends! |
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Dyne Appin
Junior Member
Join date: 11 Jun 2006
Posts: 28
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06-13-2006 15:25
From: Gabe Lippmann I love the smell of community in the morning. Try not to abuse the new guy for asking questions. It's not like he brought up SL sex or stipends or something. I know you are all Lords of the Webbz, but man if anything I am lord of the web bro, I'm a regular on message board system that gets at least 53,000 posts a day  |
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Phoenix Psaltery
Ninja Wizard
Join date: 25 Feb 2005
Posts: 2,599
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06-13-2006 15:27
From: Dyne Appin shard? you mean server right? if so that's only because EVE is run by a vet company, I doubt a n00b company like Linden lab could pull off 25k players at a time. or afford that much on one server. You have no clue who these people are. Ever hear of RealNetworks? Macromedia? Novell? Electronic Arts? Sega? Senior management team members at Linden Lab have come from all these companies and more. n00b company, indeed. P2 |
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Phoenix Psaltery
Ninja Wizard
Join date: 25 Feb 2005
Posts: 2,599
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06-13-2006 15:28
From: Hobonicus Engel Well, it's too late to worry: SL is run on hundreds of servers. Thousands, actually. P2 |
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Keknehv Psaltery
Hacker
Join date: 11 Apr 2005
Posts: 1,185
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06-13-2006 15:34
From: Dyne Appin if anything I am lord of the web bro, I'm a regular on message board system that gets at least 53,000 posts a day Wow, being a regular on a popular message board is really impressive. Really. Let's just wait an hour until you get banned for scamming and stealing. |
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Gabe Lippmann
"Phone's ringing, Dude."
Join date: 14 Jun 2004
Posts: 4,219
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06-13-2006 15:36
From: Dyne Appin if anything I am lord of the web bro, I'm a regular on message board system that gets at least 53,000 posts a day dude, wtf are you talking about?
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Blip Lowell
Plywood cube baron
Join date: 19 Mar 2006
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06-13-2006 15:42
From: Dyne Appin if anything I am lord of the web bro, I'm a regular on message board system that gets at least 53,000 posts a day ? It fits |
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Mad Wombat
Six Stringz Owner
Join date: 21 Jan 2006
Posts: 373
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06-13-2006 15:55
I always thought that SL has more than 1 server... where is the problem?
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Wildefire Walcott
Heartbreaking
Join date: 8 Nov 2005
Posts: 2,156
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06-13-2006 16:00
From: Hobonicus Engel Observation: Each of the simulators running in SL is technically a server, so this has happened several hundred times already. Thank you. This ain't WoW, folks. EDIT: However, I believe that several sims can exist on the same physical server... regardless there are thousands of sims, with at least hundreds of servers already in place. Oy. |
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Luciftias Neurocam
Ecosystem Design
Join date: 13 Oct 2005
Posts: 742
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06-13-2006 16:05
From: Dyne Appin bah, fine u win was this a contest? Oh well, then yes, yours is definitely smaller. |
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Wildefire Walcott
Heartbreaking
Join date: 8 Nov 2005
Posts: 2,156
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06-13-2006 16:07
From: Dyne Appin if anything I am lord of the web bro, I'm a regular on message board system that gets at least 53,000 posts a day Some quality conversation there, I'm sure! /me reviews " New Posts" at SL Forums. Case in point... |
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crucial Armitage
Clothing Designer
Join date: 30 Aug 2004
Posts: 838
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06-13-2006 16:28
this really is not a problem.
think of each sim as its own web sight. each server can handle its own residents with out effecting any other server. There really is no limit to the amount of residents that second life can handle. Second life was engineered to be expanded just like the Internet there really is no limit to the size. I think the real problem may lie in people not hardware second life may grow so big that policing it will be come harder and harder to do. This is where i see people owning there own grids that are connected to all other grids and doing there own policing of there own little part of what will become the second life metaverse.
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Jopsy Pendragon
Perpetual Outsider
Join date: 15 Jan 2004
Posts: 1,906
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06-13-2006 17:31
From: Dyne Appin shard? you mean server right? if so that's only because EVE is run by a vet company, I doubt a n00b company like Linden lab could pull off 25k players at a time. or afford that much on one server. And yet, even with Eve's 'vet' skillz... they still have an hour or more of downtime every night. (Shard = 1 parallel universe, not 1 server.) Should multiple shards be used? It depends on: 1) How you divide up the work of having users interact with each other, and how many people they can support in one place at a time. 2) How much data you track for each player and how often that data needs to be updated, and how well your database is at keeping up with those demands. 3) Whether or not you have geographically beneficial shards closer to some players... or different themes/rules (pvp? pve? rp?) ... or different languages. Because of how SL stores and tracks citizens and objects, the asset/identity databases may not be limited to one single massive database, and by using several massive databases they can continue to grow the grid reasonably safely. How many online players can SL support at once? Who knows. As long as they keep paying for more bandwidth their model has a lot of extensibility built into it. |
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Tod69 Talamasca
The Human Tripod ;)
Join date: 20 Sep 2005
Posts: 4,107
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06-13-2006 17:42
DOH! Here I thought the SL Servers were just one lil' measly 486DX2 running Windows NT 4 or run from some guy's BBS system in his parents basement!! Gee Willikers! Will wonders never cease! |
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Hobonicus Engel
Uncouth Vagrant
Join date: 6 Nov 2004
Posts: 136
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06-13-2006 17:48
From: Wildefire Walcott Thank you. This ain't WoW, folks.
EDIT: However, I believe that several sims can exist on the same physical server... regardless there are thousands of sims, with at least hundreds of servers already in place. Oy. If you want to get technical about it, a good amount of "void" sims, or the squares that are usually filled to the brim with water are, I believe, run four to a box. |
