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Cocoanut Koala
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11-18-2005 08:53
Oh really? I need to go in and check. I was told the land itself was free.

And I was told that they will be resellable, with the restriction that you can't sell until you have lived there three months.

As for the zoning, or the possibility of combining several plots into a larger one (after three months), I don't know.

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Cocoanut Koala
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11-18-2005 08:57
From: Logan Bauer
In keeping with the real world suburban model, this should be strongly encouraged if not mandatory, yet paradoxically and shamefully hidden in the basement of each cookiecutter home. :P

Haha - well, they were apparently not sure whether to make it mature or PG. A lot of people who would like to set up housekeeping in this fashion may be couples, and you know, couples do like to have sex in their houses! As opposed to in the street, at the movie theater, etc. You know, ordinary sex! They might have a hard time just doing what comes naturally if it is a PG sim. Maybe they will make a future sim that is PG.

I guess we'll see how the mature part plays out.

coco

P.S. The owners can delete the house and put up their own stuff. The houses are all copy/mod, no transfer.
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Kim Manilow
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11-18-2005 09:38
Yikes! LL is no Ingrid. :o
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11-18-2005 09:49
From: Schwanson Schlegel
Oooooh. I like your angle. ;)

I would like to know the details as well.
Is it ethical to have your alts take over these houses? :p

I just found the initial post I read confusing.
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Alexa Hope
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11-18-2005 10:13
Ugh its far too burbs for me. I would go mad living in one of those houses. Just as well I'm not a newbie :)

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11-18-2005 10:21
From: Lordfly Digeridoo
ugh?

I would posit that a small plot with a house designed for said plot is a better start for the curious newbie than trying to fit a $L3000 home on a 512 plot that's in the middle of fucking nowhere.

First Land Plots currently are crowded ghettos. No foresight to 'em.

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Yes, most of SL is a ghetto. Its going to be nice that our new players can start off in beautifully created residences with nice neighbors. Also, I'd LOVE to open a Starbucks (or its equivelent) on the corner ;-)
Doc Nielsen
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11-18-2005 11:15
Hmmm, roads that no one uses (because they are undriveable)...

Railways that continually derail (er, I dunno why, but they don't stay on the rails)...

AND NOW - Ken & Barbie-Land!!!

I just wish LL could get over this 'trying to make SL into some sort of pastiche of LA' trip they are on.

Second Life - you can teleport, you can fly, be a furry, an angel, a vampire, a robot, be whatever you want, do whatever you want... OF COURSE you'll want to live in a tiny mock middle-American suburbia!

Someone needs shooting.
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All very well for people to have a sig that exhorts you to 'be the change' - I wonder if it's ever occurred to them that they might be something that needs changing...?
Enabran Templar
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11-18-2005 11:25
From: Doc Nielsen
Second Life - you can teleport, you can fly, be a furry, an angel, a vampire, a robot, be whatever you want, do whatever you want... OF COURSE you'll want to live in a tiny mock middle-American suburbia!

Someone needs shooting.


Evidently the customer needs the shooting. As distasteful as I would personally find such dwellings to be, they'll be wildly successful at their intended purpose.

Watch.
Doc Nielsen
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11-18-2005 12:14
Has anyone yet gone broke as a result of underestimating the poor taste of the public, you mean?

You are probably right - it just seems strange. Coming to SL to live there.
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11-18-2005 12:18
From: Doc Nielsen
Has anyone yet gone broke as a result of underestimating the poor taste of the public, you mean?
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And you wouldn't say the same about the rest of the grid? You're making is sound as if the rest of the place is some kind of utopia. Clearly, it's not.
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Cocoanut Koala
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11-18-2005 12:21
Well, I don't consider it poor taste. I don't consider Boardman poor taste. I don't consider Azure Islands poor taste. I don't consider the Phobos Trailer Park (may it rest in peace) poor taste. In fact, Phobos was the height of good taste in poor taste!

There is charm in the mundane. Just because something is a spaceship doesn't mean it's in better taste in something that is ordinary. Museums recognize this, giving awards and display space to perfect, pleasing renditions of ordinary objects. Shaker work is art as well, in its very simplicity.

Anyway, y'all DO realize that this look is what they were GOING for, right? The tract-house fifties-suburbia look?

Question number two: What would you have built there instead, that would have served the same function?

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11-18-2005 12:25
From: Cocoanut Koala

P.S. The owners can delete the house and put up their own stuff. The houses are all copy/mod, no transfer.


<prepairs his rotating "Impeach Bush!" signs and waits with his wallet outside the city gates along with Cocoa.> <j/k>
Torley Linden
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11-18-2005 12:29
Even I like ordinary-looking things. Just like SL is to me what "RL" is to many people, the mundane to me is what alien is to most. I'd still like to see a "zoned community for creative chaos" tho... hahaha... some sorta alien crater terrain with giant MOOOON houses.
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Cocoanut Koala
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11-18-2005 12:31
Well, yes, having said what I said above, I have to add that when people suggest Sims where you have nothing but purple space and three moons or whatever, I'm all for that, too!

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11-18-2005 15:04
From: Lordfly Digeridoo
People come into SL for at least one of three reasons initially.


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11-18-2005 15:28
*pictures that little booth from Midnight City in the middle of that sim somewhere.*
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Phantom Enigma
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11-21-2005 11:28
I visited it last night .. I am a newbie

I really liked it a lot, not a single billboard in sight! and a nice view of ocean (or maybe I just can't see that far :))

I am on a free account right now, if I get the invite ill almost certainly upgrade, I like the idea of a quiet neighborhood.

The place next door though, wow what a weird place (Happy Fun Land)
Jauani Wu
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11-21-2005 12:54
From: Cocoanut Koala
I noticed, though, Ingrid, that the trees are all autumn looking, and it is autumn in the U.S. So I thought that was a nice touch. Then, too, there is also a need to keep things relatively uniform, so that the focus will be on the variety of the houses themselves.


somebody should give that tip to real life developers. "make your trees exactly the same, and your houses uninspiring." :confused: :confused: :rolleyes:
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Jauani Wu
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11-21-2005 13:03
From: Lordfly Digeridoo
I would posit that a small plot with a house designed for said plot is a better start for the curious newbie than trying to fit a $L3000 home on a 512 plot that's in the middle of fucking nowhere.

this is one very true positive aspect to the project. LL has made a 512 plot community layout that is not over crowded by making linden Lab owned side, back and front yards.

will people be allowed to change their house? if so, this makes a pefect market for good prefab builders when new residents begin to yearn for something that doesn't flicker, have unimmersive low ceilings and bad textures. according to one poster, LL changed their nice textures to bad ones. this strengthens the position LL wants people to move on from these plots and didn't want to make the houses too nice such that they stayed in them forever.

if the houses can be changed, i suggest prefabricators start focusing on high quality houses under 60 prims. damanios has a head start with a 12 prim house that knocks that sock off all of these.

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11-21-2005 13:08
From: Jauani Wu
will people be allowed to change their house? if so, this makes a pefect market for good prefab builders when new residents begin to yearn for something that doesn't flicker, have unimmersive low ceilings and bad textures. according to one poster, LL changed their nice textures to bad ones. this strengthens the position LL wants people to move on from these plots and didn't want to make the houses too nice such that they stayed in them forever.

if the houses can be changed, i suggest prefabricators start focusing on high quality houses under 60 prims. damanios has a head start with a 12 prim house that knocks that sock off all of these.


My understanding is that the houses can be changed. Also that LL is unconcerned with whether people stay there are not. It will be up to the resis to make of this what they will.

I, for one, have been toiling away on a giant moon house for a few weeks, when I bother toiling at anything other than forum posting and pointing and laughing at other Avs. :cool:
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Aimee Weber
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11-21-2005 13:13
From: Jauani Wu

if the houses can be changed, i suggest prefabricators start focusing on high quality houses under 60 prims. damanios has a head start with a 12 prim house that knocks that sock off all of these.



:eek: That's gorgeous!!
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Torley Linden
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11-21-2005 13:16
Damanios Thetan = masterbuilder

And hey, in a nice neighborhood, you may want to look up at the stars. And what can you do it with?



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Cocoanut Koala
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11-21-2005 13:28
If LL owns the side, back, and front yards, that is certainly news to me.

As far as I know, the resident gets "a 512 lot." The dimensions I told you, where a house had to be 14 x 14, with one 10 x 10 room, plus the expectation of other living areas, only one story, and had to be an exact number of meters from the sides and the front of the lot - as well as looking like they were right out of a fifties' sub-division - were requirements of the builders. Not for the person living there.

The person living there owns the entire size 512 lot.

Yes, the houses can be removed. They can be mod/copied, but not transfered, or removed altogether. The person can live in any house they want to put there.

As far as I know (and no one has told me one way or the other), there are no zoning regulations to the sim whatever except insofar as it is zoned mature. If so, a person could put a shop there, or anything else they want.

So, yes, a person can buy a house they like better and put it in place of the house that is there, if they so desire - or a tent, or ANYTHING, within the prim limitations.

That's why I am continuing to building and selling my 512 houses (the Sandpiper being one of these), with little concern as to my 512's continuing to have a market in SL, both in Blumfield and any similar promotional neighborhoods they may build, and in SL at large.

I will point out that my house does not have textures that flicker, low ceilings, or bad textures, as far as I can tell. (And the house I turned in certainly had no such thing.) I speak for my own house here and let any of the other builders come to talk about their own work if they so desire.

As I mentioned before, new textures were applied to these houses in many areas by the Lindens, in order to give many different versions of the same house. I would not have personally chosen the textures that are on some of mine, and/or I would put them on in different proportions.

But I didn't say they changed "nice textures to bad ones." I said they changed some of the textures, and in doing so in so many houses in so little time, some of them may have gone on sideways, or caused any flicker.

I offered to go in and fix any flickering textures, or any that aren't in the right proportions or going in the right directions, but I haven't heard back on that offer.

As a builder of houses, I already do focus on high-quality houses under 60 prims in my 512 Collection, and will continue to do so, as well as making houses with more prims.

When I said I thought they didn't want to give away anything too good, that was no slam on the houses already there. By that, I meant that they are not going to give away 300-prim houses or other mansions, even if those WOULD fit on a 512.

The promotion is what it is - free 512's and free 512 houses (one-story only, with more than one room, etc. etc.) on them.

That house you show made by daminios is VERY lovely! Is there a place I can go see it in game? I would point out, though, that it may not have fulfilled the requirements we were given. But at 12 prims, it would certainly be a wonderful choice for someon in Blumfield who would like to put it on their lot (or on any 512 lot in SL, for that matter).

I will also point out that for this promotion, all houses had to be exclusive to the promotion - i.e., made especially for it - and turned in by the deadline. You absolutely had to create a new house especially for this fifties' neighborhood. There are probably a number of houses already existing in SL that would be beautiful on these lots, but couldn't have been submitted because they already existed.

It will be fascinating to see how Blumfield evolves over time. As I said, I don't know if there are any zoning regulations, but it would certainly be good if there were.

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11-21-2005 13:29
From: cocoanut koala
As far as I know, the resident gets "a 512 lot." The dimensions I told you, where a house had to be 14 x 14, with one 10 x 10 room, plus the expectation of other living areas, only one story, and had to be an exact number of meters from the sides and the front of the lot - as well as looking like they were right out of a fifties' sub-division - were requirements of the builders. Not for the person living there.

:eek: 12 prims!


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changing houses
11-21-2005 13:31
The houses can indeed be changed. I ran into a new resident last night who it seemed had totally demolished the one that was there and was in the process of building a new one, it was all the default wood texture and didn't look like one of the prefab layouts.
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