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FlipperPA Peregrine

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Join date: 14 Nov 2003

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01-26-2006 06:32

From: Kris Ritter

Yes. No good talking to Zoey thru Zoey's av any more. It belongs to someone else even more infamous now. Which always confuzzled me cuz, like, firstly, you're not allowed to transfer accounts. More correctly I should say THE REST OF US are not allowed to, but I guess it proves that there is a point where you're forking over enough cash to LL that you are above the 'laws' everyone else have to abide by. And secondly, I just don't get why anyone would pay good money for an account with a reputation like Zoeys.

Actually, its got nothing to do with that, and anyone can transfer an account with prior consent:

From: ToS

3.5 Unique Accounts; No Transfer. When an account is created the address on the account must match the address or other unique identifier on the credit card or other payment or identification method. You may register multiple accounts per credit card or other payment method but will only receive one trial period for the card or other payment method in any 3-month period and each additional account on one credit card or payment method will begin its billing when the account is created. You may not transfer your Account to any third party without the prior written consent of Linden.

I've never heard of them not allowing someone to transfer the account as long as the necessary up-front work is completed. This is completely understandable as LL would want to be sure to purge the old person's credit card and RL info and replace it with the new person's.

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Merlot Andalso

I mad. You're mad.

Join date: 19 Jan 2006

Posts: 56

Huh?

01-26-2006 07:34

Enlighten me, as I don't fully understand the advantage of taking over someone elses account....wouldn't you want something more personal? It's like moving into a home that is already decorated and furnished in someone elses style.....

Frans Charming

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01-26-2006 07:36

You also own their business.

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01-26-2006 07:44

From: Merlot Andalso

Enlighten me, as I don't fully understand the advantage of taking over someone elses account....wouldn't you want something more personal? It's like moving into a home that is already decorated and furnished in someone elses style.....

and it is quite 'interesting', to say the least, that the OP's acct was bought by such a 'Non-Touristy' person...

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FlipperPA Peregrine

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01-26-2006 07:57

I'm not sure if I see what the big deal is. Its the equivalent of selling a business, and if you're a business owner in Second Life, wouldn't you like to have some sort of exit strategy? It might be a good idea to have a section of permanent notes on the profile somewhere. This would allow things like name changes and approved sales to be noted permanently.

Something like:

Linden Notes for account Flipper Peregrine:

* formerly known as "FlipperPA Peregrine" (1/15/2006)
* account sold (1/15/2060)

and so forth. Some people decide to move on from Second Life, or reinvent themselves on a new account. I can understand this and think those people should have the option of "selling off" their assets that have been accrued through hard work.

That being said, if you're buying the account - you're buying the business and the reputation. In SL, our businesses are tied directly to our reputations, so the buyer should be aware of both.

Regards,

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Billy Grace

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Join date: 8 Mar 2004

Posts: 2,307

01-26-2006 08:04

I know it is a foriegn concept to some people but sometimes you have to live with your mistakes... even if you don't want to.

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Siggy Romulus

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Join date: 22 Sep 2003

Posts: 5,711

01-26-2006 15:21

My point wasn't on the legality of whatever - more the 'so who's posting and who's complaining' kind of curiosity...

On the 'usefullness' well some of the older accounts took advantage of that 'lifetime offer' with the 4096 bonus land tier.

Are restrictions on how much US$ you can cash out based on per account?

Bonus - you get all their objects! vendors would send YOU money.

All their customers - after all they don't really know it's not the same person.

On the downside - you get their rep and drama.

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Jopsy Pendragon

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Join date: 15 Jan 2004

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01-27-2006 15:16

Oddly enough the whole reason why I bumped this thread was because I saw a fuzzy postcard on the secondlife website map that said something about Zoey Jade, sale of account, violation of ToS blah blah blah... and came to the forums see if there was clarification.

This was one of the more recent posts by Zoey... and while it didn't clarify what I was looking for, I couldn't help but chip in my 2 cents even if it was a stale thread.

Of course, I can relate to the unburyable horrors of the past... Thanks to google, there's some stuff out there that may haunt me all my days! Gleep!

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Joy Honey

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01-27-2006 15:30

From: Billy Grace

I know it is a foriegn concept to some people but sometimes you have to live with your mistakes... even if you don't want to.

I know I'd rather sweep some things under the rug that have come out of MY mouth and I don't think I've really done much bad (except troll-baiting

). But I could be wrong....

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Schwanson Schlegel

SL's Tokin' Villain

Join date: 15 Nov 2003

Posts: 2,721

01-27-2006 16:14

So this isn't really Zoey complaining?

I am against the sale of accounts for exactly stuff like this.

WTF

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Martin Magpie

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Join date: 13 Nov 2004

Posts: 1,826

01-27-2006 18:25

From: Schwanson Schlegel

So this isn't really Zoey complaining?

I am against the sale of accounts for exactly stuff like this.

WTF

It does make things just a tad confusing. More and more ppl are being upfront about alts tho. Which is good

Cat

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Newfie Pendragon

Crusty and proud of it

Join date: 19 Dec 2003

Posts: 1,025

01-27-2006 19:16

I'm not particularly against selling/buying alts, but if one does, they buy the whole package - tarnished reputation and all.

If one doesn't like the dirty laundry that comes with the name, well...dont buy it.

- Newfie

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Cristiano Midnight

Evil Snapshot Baron

Join date: 17 May 2003

Posts: 8,616

01-27-2006 19:31

What did the Artist Formerly Known as Zoey Jade sell? I didn't realize she had a business large enough to warrant selling an account.

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Nolan Nash

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Join date: 15 May 2003

Posts: 7,141

01-27-2006 21:02

From: Cristiano Midnight

What did the Artist Formerly Known as Zoey Jade sell? I didn't realize she had a business large enough to warrant selling an account.

Prolly a 225 dollar account, me thinks as time passes in our little world, those accounts will become increasingly more valuable.

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Karley Strauss

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Join date: 11 Dec 2005

Posts: 13

01-28-2006 03:03

hey zoey here.... No I didn't sell my account....tho zoey is banned right now LOL. I sold rights to my prefabs under the Modern Master label, I did NOT sell the account, don't know who started this rumor, but Flipper can verify I just spoke with him on zoey 2 nights ago. Thx.

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FlipperPA Peregrine Magically Delicious! Join date: 14 Nov 2003 Posts: 3,703	01-26-2006 06:32 From: Kris Ritter Yes. No good talking to Zoey thru Zoey's av any more. It belongs to someone else even more infamous now. Which always confuzzled me cuz, like, firstly, you're not allowed to transfer accounts. More correctly I should say THE REST OF US are not allowed to, but I guess it proves that there is a point where you're forking over enough cash to LL that you are above the 'laws' everyone else have to abide by. And secondly, I just don't get why anyone would pay good money for an account with a reputation like Zoeys. Actually, its got nothing to do with that, and anyone can transfer an account with prior consent: From: ToS 3.5 Unique Accounts; No Transfer. When an account is created the address on the account must match the address or other unique identifier on the credit card or other payment or identification method. You may register multiple accounts per credit card or other payment method but will only receive one trial period for the card or other payment method in any 3-month period and each additional account on one credit card or payment method will begin its billing when the account is created. You may not transfer your Account to any third party without the prior written consent of Linden. I've never heard of them not allowing someone to transfer the account as long as the necessary up-front work is completed. This is completely understandable as LL would want to be sure to purge the old person's credit card and RL info and replace it with the new person's. Regards, -Flip _____________________ Peregrine Salon: www.PeregrineSalon.com - my consulting company Second Blogger: www.SecondBlogger.com - free, fully integrated Second Life blogging for all avatars!
Merlot Andalso I mad. You're mad. Join date: 19 Jan 2006 Posts: 56	Huh? 01-26-2006 07:34 Enlighten me, as I don't fully understand the advantage of taking over someone elses account....wouldn't you want something more personal? It's like moving into a home that is already decorated and furnished in someone elses style.....
Frans Charming You only need one Frans Join date: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 1,847	01-26-2006 07:36 You also own their business. _____________________
ZsuZsanna Raven ~:+: Supah Kitteh :+:~ Join date: 19 Dec 2004 Posts: 2,361	01-26-2006 07:44 From: Merlot Andalso Enlighten me, as I don't fully understand the advantage of taking over someone elses account....wouldn't you want something more personal? It's like moving into a home that is already decorated and furnished in someone elses style..... and it is quite 'interesting', to say the least, that the OP's acct was bought by such a 'Non-Touristy' person... _____________________ ~Mewz!~
FlipperPA Peregrine Magically Delicious! Join date: 14 Nov 2003 Posts: 3,703	01-26-2006 07:57 I'm not sure if I see what the big deal is. Its the equivalent of selling a business, and if you're a business owner in Second Life, wouldn't you like to have some sort of exit strategy? It might be a good idea to have a section of permanent notes on the profile somewhere. This would allow things like name changes and approved sales to be noted permanently. Something like: Linden Notes for account Flipper Peregrine: * formerly known as "FlipperPA Peregrine" (1/15/2006) * account sold (1/15/2060) and so forth. Some people decide to move on from Second Life, or reinvent themselves on a new account. I can understand this and think those people should have the option of "selling off" their assets that have been accrued through hard work. That being said, if you're buying the account - you're buying the business and the reputation. In SL, our businesses are tied directly to our reputations, so the buyer should be aware of both. Regards, -Flip _____________________ Peregrine Salon: www.PeregrineSalon.com - my consulting company Second Blogger: www.SecondBlogger.com - free, fully integrated Second Life blogging for all avatars!
Billy Grace Land Market Facilitator Join date: 8 Mar 2004 Posts: 2,307	01-26-2006 08:04 I know it is a foriegn concept to some people but sometimes you have to live with your mistakes... even if you don't want to. _____________________ I find it rather easy to portray a businessman. Being bland, rather cruel and incompetent comes naturally to me. John Cleese, 1939 -
Siggy Romulus DILLIGAF Join date: 22 Sep 2003 Posts: 5,711	01-26-2006 15:21 My point wasn't on the legality of whatever - more the 'so who's posting and who's complaining' kind of curiosity... On the 'usefullness' well some of the older accounts took advantage of that 'lifetime offer' with the 4096 bonus land tier. Are restrictions on how much US$ you can cash out based on per account? Bonus - you get all their objects! vendors would send YOU money. All their customers - after all they don't really know it's not the same person. On the downside - you get their rep and drama. _____________________ The Second Life forums are living proof as to why it's illegal for people to have sex with farm animals. From: Jesse Linden I, for one, am highly un-helped by this thread
Jopsy Pendragon Perpetual Outsider Join date: 15 Jan 2004 Posts: 1,906	01-27-2006 15:16 Oddly enough the whole reason why I bumped this thread was because I saw a fuzzy postcard on the secondlife website map that said something about Zoey Jade, sale of account, violation of ToS blah blah blah... and came to the forums see if there was clarification. This was one of the more recent posts by Zoey... and while it didn't clarify what I was looking for, I couldn't help but chip in my 2 cents even if it was a stale thread. Of course, I can relate to the unburyable horrors of the past... Thanks to google, there's some stuff out there that may haunt me all my days! Gleep! _____________________ * The Particle Laboratory * - One of SecondLife's Oldest Learning Resources. Free particle, control and targetting scripts. Numerous in-depth visual demonstrations, and multiple sandbox areas. - Stop by and try out Jopsy's new "Porgan 1800" an advanced steampunk styled 'particle organ' and the new particle texture store!
Joy Honey Not just another dumass Join date: 17 Jun 2005 Posts: 3,751	01-27-2006 15:30 From: Billy Grace I know it is a foriegn concept to some people but sometimes you have to live with your mistakes... even if you don't want to. I know I'd rather sweep some things under the rug that have come out of MY mouth and I don't think I've really done much bad (except troll-baiting ). But I could be wrong.... _____________________ Reality continues to ruin my life. - Calvin You have delighted us long enough. - Jane Austen Sometimes I need what only you can provide: your absence. - Ashleigh Brilliant
Schwanson Schlegel SL's Tokin' Villain Join date: 15 Nov 2003 Posts: 2,721	01-27-2006 16:14 So this isn't really Zoey complaining? I am against the sale of accounts for exactly stuff like this. WTF _____________________
Martin Magpie Catherine Cotton Join date: 13 Nov 2004 Posts: 1,826	01-27-2006 18:25 From: Schwanson Schlegel So this isn't really Zoey complaining? I am against the sale of accounts for exactly stuff like this. WTF It does make things just a tad confusing. More and more ppl are being upfront about alts tho. Which is good Cat _____________________
Newfie Pendragon Crusty and proud of it Join date: 19 Dec 2003 Posts: 1,025	01-27-2006 19:16 I'm not particularly against selling/buying alts, but if one does, they buy the whole package - tarnished reputation and all. If one doesn't like the dirty laundry that comes with the name, well...dont buy it. - Newfie _____________________
Cristiano Midnight Evil Snapshot Baron Join date: 17 May 2003 Posts: 8,616	01-27-2006 19:31 What did the Artist Formerly Known as Zoey Jade sell? I didn't realize she had a business large enough to warrant selling an account. _____________________ Cristiano ANOmations - huge selection of high quality, low priced animations all $100L or less. ~SLUniverse.com~ SL's oldest and largest community site, featuring Snapzilla image sharing, forums, and much more.
Nolan Nash Frischer Frosch Join date: 15 May 2003 Posts: 7,141	01-27-2006 21:02 From: Cristiano Midnight What did the Artist Formerly Known as Zoey Jade sell? I didn't realize she had a business large enough to warrant selling an account. Prolly a 225 dollar account, me thinks as time passes in our little world, those accounts will become increasingly more valuable. _____________________ “Time's fun when you're having flies.” ~Kermit
Karley Strauss Registered User Join date: 11 Dec 2005 Posts: 13	01-28-2006 03:03 hey zoey here.... No I didn't sell my account....tho zoey is banned right now LOL. I sold rights to my prefabs under the Modern Master label, I did NOT sell the account, don't know who started this rumor, but Flipper can verify I just spoke with him on zoey 2 nights ago. Thx.

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