In Need of an honest opinion...

Ok, I dont know if this would be right but I dont know what to do

I own along with my SL husband The Free Dove, where tons of new resident of SL come to get lots of free clothes left at shelves from well known designers and designers starting with established shops. This is to help both ends, the new resident to help with their appearance all for free and the designer to help them bring more traffic to their respective stores. Right now we have over 70 designers donating.

Now, since there are so many new residents coming and going I am this type of person that dont want to judge people's choice of playing their game with their lifestyles. However, paying a good amount of dollars for our land and giving free prims to vendors without us receiving anything for placing a box there (we dont want to receive anything and I am not complaining at all) I feel we are entitle to put the rules in our land.

Now, here is the thing. Many new residents get intimidated by guns, by the different styles and behavior in newbie places. Many residents dont know what is going on, many residents get shocked on the things they see at these places (freebie places) and many of these freebie places dont look good. And we dont want our place to end up looking that way.

Today when I logged to SL, I do my usual routine to check The Free Dove. I noticed a Gorean Master ordering and ordering her slave who is kneeling at his feet. Wish I dont have any problems with it, I accept their style, but I worry more what the new person looking and starring at them is thinking.I didn't say anything because it looks normal to me, well that is what usually I see Master's do, telling their slaves what they want. So, I let it go.

Several times I have discovered Masters going to freebie places where the new resident dont know a thing what a Gorean lifestyle is and start recruiting new girls. These girls not knowing what it is they go for it. I have seen the extra long chain of newbies and alts in Master's profile. However, that is not my business. But is happening in our Free Dove location!!!!!!! But, the question is...

Should I allowed this? For me I consider it a show at my place, because is a total PUBLIC place. What they do in their privacy is their problem, not my business.

So, should I add a sign to my location asking for please restrain to their lifestyle? I dont know if that is the way to put it or the right way in english .. (English is not my 1st language as you can read now )

The place is visited by 100's of new residents constantly. I just feel bad at times people asking me why I let that happen in my place.

Also I have noticed escorts offering their services and I constantly get complaints in my IM's asking me why do I allow "prostitution" in my place. Simple as that, they call it prostitution. NOT ME. Again, I think escorting is a job to get their way of living in SL. I am not against escorting at all. But should I allowed invitations in my place if I get IM's constantly asking me why do they get such offers?

This morning also, this guy IMing me asking me this girl offered him a "good time for 1000Lindens for an hour" The guy just thought she was just messing up with him, but she said, she was real. He said to her that suddenly he felt like he was in a garage sale, so much to choose and find in between some trash" or something like that. I told him, I would take care of it. This guy only had 2 hours of starting just arriving to Second Life.

Also, people carrying guns, I try to tell people to detach since others get intimidated.

Lately I am feeling like I am a police, guard, or military person just because I want to be sure everyone is enjoying the facility. Sometimes it makes me feel why did I start this place and other times I think, I love to place the newcomer and help them.

I get so much complement from others because of the place also and I would hate to remove the place. I use in there more than 500 prims to put this place up to help people.

Really, it is fun, I love to see people having fun and smile especially that new person that dont know where to go and what to do. They get to know the designers and visit them. Weeks later they come and thank me for letting them know about such and such designer!!!

I dont want to offend anyone with what I said. And I am sorry if I offended someone. I dont judge any lifestyle. People live their own way. But, should I allow it? Should I put a sign?

Would you all be nice and give me your honest opinion? Thanks

escorting = going with a person on a date for pay

prostitution = having sex for money

It doesn't matter what people call it - the definition is the zing.

that wasn't my question lol I think I know that

I think you should ban anyone found to be recruiting or solicitting. A security orb set to eject only targets should help with a limited ban list built in.

if its effecting your establishment then yes you should put up some rules of the land

most places in RL and SL have "no soliciting" pasted on their doors which would cover most of what you said and its a common and acceptable practice

If someone is doing stuff that you believe may be uncomfortable/harmful to your patrons, by all means, remove them.

There isn't much of a concept of "public space" in SL; you have the same rights as a RL shopping mall does on removing folks from your premises.

In my humble opinion, Palomma, you are the owner of the land and as such, you have the right to set any rules you like for your property.

I think you raise legitimate points. Put up signs with the types of behavior you want to discourage.

Good Luck.

ohhhhhhh however, some of these people are also new, orrrrrrrr, maybe alts? lol but some have new profiles playing their lifestyle...

Thanks everyone, I am starting my signs, I think...

Goreans are the first ones ready to demand that other SL members change their avatars or behavior in order to have the privilege of stepping foot on their land, so I say yes, go for it. Why not give them back the treatment they so readily dish out to other members?

They don't hesitate to try to control the conduct of the rest of the SL community, and actively discriminate against furries. so don't hesitate to try to control the goreans right back!

But how do I put describe them in my sign? How do I say the escorting solicitation no allowed?

"You no sella the poontang here!"



Space

In the bdsm community (which theoretically includes Gor) there is the concept of consent. The idea is that you don't play with someone without them giving consent. This includes third parties observing the play.

As such, many in the community (including myself) believe that public play in which non consenting individual are force to watch the play is immoral.

Or to put it another way, you have no responsibility to engage in their play including having to watch it on your land without your permission. You have every right to prohibit it.

On the questions of escorts (I work as an escort), I would address it as a question of basic business manners. It is wrong for a vendor to plop down on your land and sell stuff, and IMHO it is equally wrong for an escort to plop down on your land and sell 'stuff. Again, you have an absolute right to prohibit it.

Generally, I disagree vehemently with Jonas, but in this case, I'm with him. Don't ban Goreans, but require them at least to tone it down. They expect you to respect their rules on their sims, so you have the same rights on yours. I think they're probably violating some part of the TOS by enforcing slavery on a PG sim anyway (assuming it is PG). In any case, your land, your rules.

Have a sign, that all lifestyles are respected but this is not the place for them.
and anyone caught selling ANYTHING well be banned.

Definitely put signs instructing people what kind of decorum is expected. You may cite groups like Goreans that have an established mode of behavior that you may wish that they keep in check.

Have some llSetText signs around to inform people that you have such signs. Signs are affected much by lag since their texture takes time to load. The llSetText signs are not affected by lag so at least your customers will know that there is a declared decorum.

Another possiblity, if your list is complex, is to make a decorum notecard and ask new store vistors to get one and read it before they enter.

Always word your signs nicely and in the most positive way. Write them as if all the customers are your most valuable customers and you don't want them offended in the least. The time you spend making this card good will be well spent.

you have every right to enforce rules on your land as you see fit and I really doubt anyone could possibly find anything wrong with the type of rules you would like. Once again its such a shame to hear about people doing great things for our community like you are and having to deal with such issues.

They don't descriminate against furries, they enforce a dress code in their sim. They ask you to use a human av on their sims, ones the privately pay for.

Either way, Palomma and her hubby pay for this land and have every right to ask people not to recruit or solicit, or even to require clown attire or be ejected.

Rule 1: Selling of Objects and/or Services is not allowed
Rule 2: Recruiting or Solicitting is not allowed

I'm really sorry for the trouble you are having on your privately owned land. I appreciate the fact that you and your husband are funding such a wonderful place for newbies to get some nice things when the funds are quite tight.

I have noticed that, as with all groups of people, there are those who do not know how to be discreet in areas outside of their usual habitat. Goreans are no exception. Many times, I, too, have witnessed what I feel is inappropriate Master/slave behaviors because of the area. Whenever I visit nongorean places, I am always careful to remove my titler and dress appropriately. I grit my teeth as I see others be indiscreet when it takes only a small effort to be area-appropriate. I have not noticed any 'recruiting' but I think that is a despicable practice and one I hope to never witness. The gorean sims are visible enough that anybody interested in learning more can find their way to one without a whole lot of coercing.

I agree with what many of the other posters have said...please DO make rules and do not feel bad about enforcing them!! You are paying good money for the land! Perhaps as one poster said, have a notecard that all get as they arrive. As another poster said, make it positive and nonconfrontational as well. As much as people love gor bashing, it is also inappropriate in a place such as yours, where newbies gather. Perhaps the wording could read something like "Please leave all roleplaying (gorean, furry, elven, etc) for a more appropriate place. We get a large number of new people here who are just trying to learn to the basics and we feel the added roleplaying will only confuse them further."

I am eager to visit your land so I can direct new people to such a resource!! Wishing you good luck as you create your rules

anjaleka

Signs simply indicating "No solicitations" are quite common. Here's one that may appeal to your desire not to offend with your totally reasonable request.

Thanks guys, I didn't want to like discriminate, but also I didn't want other newbies to be confused. This post made me think a lot and I made my decision.

We are looking for a script thou, for when someone teleports give a notecard. If anyone have one, would you let me know?

Also, anyone know of a good greeter device for when someone teleports too? Maybe a greeter that drops a notecard? I dont know... any ideas?

Your land, your rules. Possibly have a notecard dispenser at a fixed landing point that gives people a copy of your freebie store rules as they arrive. You may find that you'll have to eject / ban quite a few people for the first few weeks, but they'll eventually get the message.

oh yes.. in newbie places ban list grow lol

Disallow 3rd-party scripts -- incapacitates not only guns but slave collars, which are also are scripted. Put up a sign requesting Goreans to play their stupid dom/sub games in private, somewhere else, NOT on your property.

I have visited your place Palomma and I feel you should be allowed to put whatever rules you want on your land...I have also been approached when i was there but i took care of him myself....Its a great place and shouldnt be misused by anyone regardless of their lifestyle. Also I looked for a donation box when i was there and didnt see one..People do not appreciate what they have until its gone..then they come here and whine...
thats my 2 L worth

rain