Philip Linden Teaches People How to Steal Content

I've been in my profession for 14 years and have witnessed 3 companies I worked for spend carelessly and go bankrupt and have huge layoff....so really as far as I am concerned it is just as likely.

I have adjusted my RL work to a more comfortable level because of my SL income, I do not solely depend on it however, I do know some very smart, responsible people who do depend on SL.

your arguement is udderly ridiculous

i don't know what your beef is with me, but i never flanked my title by saying pretty boy phil encouraged it

but i do admit i feel he is full of bull

you are milking this thread for your own benefit

that really grounds my rump that you would twist my words

this material is here for you to graze on, if you can't see the forest for the trees, thats your pasture to roam in

So all a thief would need to do is resize the ripped textures to 1024, apply some smoothing, and then add noise back in. I'm on your side but I just truly think you're vastly overestimating the ease of proving authorship. Only an imbecile is going to rip work and then sell it as is without making any effort to mask their theft. If complexity of PSD's is the standard of proof then it would even be possible for the original author to get accused of theft, lose, and end up banned. Is that a can of worms we really want to open? I would LOVE for someone to come up with a reliable way of registering work or being approved by a seal program or something else but there simply is no magic bullet.

Ultimately I feel we have to decide what's at the core of SL... is it profit or is it to encourage creative expression? If someone just starting out who has some talent but produces something a little too close to an established artists work for comfort then gets harassed, accused, and ultimately banned, is that an environment that encourages people to stretch their creative wings? Will it make already established artists band together and become suspicious of outsiders? Will we end up with a system that gets used as a weapon? These are all things that have to be considered.

I think people who rip the work of others to try and grab a few dishonest dollars are the lowest of the low. I'd like to string them up by their genitals and bleed them like pigs. That doesn't change the fact that this issue is far more complex than our paranoia and desire for revenge makes us want to believe.

Is that somehow fundamentaly different than you twisting Philip's words?

All your posts give me an overwhelming sense of ennui.

Sorry, but i think it's still pretty silly, since it still operates with presumption that "more layers in PSD file" somehow equals "higher probability of ownership". Which is rather ignorant in world where you can generate equivalent of dozen or more hand-drawn layers with a push of button and 3d renderer... and where increasing number of designers start to discover this sort of surface baking. What are these designers suppose to do now, reverse-engineer their PSD into more layers so they appear more genuine? Surely you can see problems with this.

Really, just because *some* people tend to use hundred layers to make their items doesn't mean it's some sort of a rule or even widespread practice. And then it becomes conflict of opinions pretty much, on what creation process is "expected" to be, often by people with no first hand experience to boot. :/

Sorry chip, but that would be nowhere comparable in quality to the original texture. The detail loss from the resizing from 1024 to 512 would not be recovered unless the content thief is willing to basically redraw the texture completely.
Moreover upload date would give a judging linden further proof on who created the texture first. Cross referencing proof elements is the way to go.



Not discouraging (and as such indirectly encouraging) theft of creative expression DEFINATELY doesn't encourage creative expression itself.

One may be of higher quality than the other but that in no way proves one is derived from the other, nor does upload date.

did he step by step the proceedure or not?

also, i provided the entire transcript so the words are presented in context

come on Chirp, youd be real pissed if they started selling your swamp suit or you hand drawn genitals

btw, totally unrelated to this post

i removed ALL names associated with this situation... but i thank the ones who outed themselves as being part of it... it shows bravery instead of hypocrisy

not my problem. there is an ignore button, feel free to use it

I skimmed, but no, not that I saw. Even if he had it was to an invited group at a private meeting. You're the one who posted it on a public forum.

Neither Linden Labs, nor Philip Linden, nor anyone can produce a /technical solution/ that prevents people from copying digital files once it gets to their PC's without making the entire machine closed-off - that's a closed-source, closed-hardware, encrypted end-to-end system, from the server until it lights up pixels on your monitor. PC's were never designed to keep people from copying the things that they can see. Any computer that receives a digital file can make umpteen billion copies of that digital file, and if they encrypted every single texture and shape definition coming down to your computer, you'd get about one frame every five seconds. This is not to mention the fact that no-one has yet made a fair and open implementation of a DRM technology.

If they changed the client to be a fascist content jail, they'd have to produce a proprietary set of GL drivers for every existing platform and encrypt their communications from server to client and while in memory. SL would run even more the pig than it does now and would stop working on roughly sixty percent of the machines it runs on now.

There is no technical solution to prevent people from intercepting textures sent to their computer (at the router, at their IP stack, at the client level, at the graphics driver level.

That's why we have LEGAL solutions. LL's responsibility is to comply with DMCA takedown requests and counter-requests. If you want them to deal with them quickly and cleanly, make your DMCA requests specific, thorough, clean and easy to follow. Make them at regular intervals when people still have your ripped-off content up. Include your own reference numbers. If you find someone consistently ripping you off, hire/retain a lawyer and subpoena LL for the identity of the avatar(s) ripping you off and take them to (small) claims court on a Wednesday afternoon before closing.

Linden Labs does what it can to protect content creator's interests, and has some technical improvements they'r developing to help tag thieves, but they are not your private legal team, they are not in the business of taking every thief to court, they are not in the business of purely handling DMCA takedown and countertakedown requests, and they're not in the business of making a game that runs on 200 PCs worldwide.

There's also an AR button and I'm wondering if someone is bucking for a 3-day, all-expense paid vacation to a cornfield.

since you know i dont create content... you MUST know it was leaked to me

and why do you think that is, Chimp?

You know, I've noticed a tendency when people dissagree with you for you to become abusive...

Perhaps you could use more fiber in your diet?

Either way, tone it down.

Gee, I'm sure I wouldn't know. My crystal ball is in the shop. But thanks for your valuable contributions to the discussion.

I dont think anyone is claiming that, but in all seriousness the genuine item could be easily spotted by anyone who knows a little about graphic software.
If you think I'm talking crap enter phillip's challenge and prove me wrong.

o, im sure i will be getting a vacation... LL WILL be retaliating against me for this

but, its the same reason the transcript was handed to me

I DONT GIVE A FLYING FUCK ABOUT A PLACE THAT WOULD CONTINUOSLY FUCK ITS USER BASE, WHILE CHARGING WAY TOO MUCH FOR THE PROCEEDURE, AND NOT EVEN OFFER A KISS WHILE DOING SO

(but if you are an empty headed bimbo, you might have enjoyed being schmoozed by pretty boy phil)

and speaking of cornfields, don't believe the hype

chip and i have problems already, please visit http://forums.secondcitizen.com/ to see what preceeds this hostility

tyvm

I'm not saying you don't have valid points. Those points, however, are getting lost in the noise. Your constant outlashes do little but alienate you from those who might support you and make the forum environment worse. What on earth do you think you're accomplishing with all your attacks?

Thanks for giving everyone a demonstration of why I find you so irritating

yeah, im sure everyone is holding their breath in anticipation while waiting to find out what irritates chicklet

allow me some theater before i am executed please

As the lady says. Of course there will always be devil advocates more than ready to swear this is not true.

There's something no-one has mentioned yet.

PSD files are lossless. When they "obtain" the image from second life, its been compressed with JPG-2000... And it is(in this case) lossy. Therefore even with the program Philip suggests wont work. I don't know about you, but I can see compression artifacts pretty clearly. The PSD obviously will be sharper, etc. -- and if your dumb enough to put your PSD files on a web-site then its your own fault, lol.

So not only do you have to create all the layers, some of which may be vector
based and so forth, but you need to compensate for compression artifacts.

I think its pretty clear that if it became that time consuming and if they were already such good photoshop artists in the first place, they wouldn't need to steal in the 1st place. And even if it did "only" catch 99 percent of the cases that's a nice start.

Now if people download the same textures off the web, neither owned it, and that's ok. Neither can prove its there's anyways, and who cares. People who spend tens or more hours on a picture(skin, etc) would need this.

So I believe having PDF files looked over is the issue, it's that your moving in a direction where you don't have to police everything, you want it to be like running the internet where you don't have to be responsible for the content. If that's the case, I think its more useful to say so then dismissing the PDF idea. And really I can understand LL's point of view, they can't scale employees forever to match users.

So really it comes down to tools so the res's can do it themselves. One such tool is to provide accountability to users, like this: Make it so when you ban an AV it ban's all there alt's as well. I heard a linden say this would violate the users privacy, but that is not the case, here is why. It can be server side, using hardware/MAC id hash, with no info given to the person doing the banning. And if the worry is when the servers are user controlled in the future its a moot point, the data is there, the server will know. People would be able to ban by ip, etc.
(btw, no need to mention the faults(with harware/mac hashes), I know them, telling the bad guys don't help!, lol. )
ban group's and other useful things as well.

anyone else have any useful solutions?