I left There.com to get away form the kids.

Burnman,
You sound like quite a bitter person. I'm sorry if something I said struck a nerve or eats at your conscious, but I won't be drawn into a flame game with you. Obviously you disagree with me, and that's fine by me, but maybe you should attempt to get your point across without resorting to crass remarks and name calling.

I definitely agree with you on this, Volatile.
I believe LL has taken steps to do this, and I also know that there are MANY companies out there that do not.

I'm not saying that Litigation should NEVER be persued against a company, in fact, a company that is obviously negligent in it's security to protect children from Predators, etc, should be sued, prosecuted, to the fullest extent. But I don't believe LL falls into that catagory. I think they have and still are making an HONEST attempt at keeping kids out of the adult grid

i was gunna respond to this, then decided why bother

AMEN, Aodhan

I actually see it a bit different. I came when it was free, i think, but i went ahead and got premium cause i wanted land... but.................. there is nothing at all preventing a child getting on here, and in fact to me, everything linden has done is promoting them to get on the adult grid.

Ok stay with me here.. I finally relented to letting my daughter get on teen grid.. wasn't happy with it.. but i try to be understanding... well, i watched her adn to say the least it was so boring i was aghast, and i had to put in my cred information for her... hmm don't remember having to do that for the adult..

So lets compare
adult: no limitation on signing up, no cred card, or any identifier, not even a working email that is verified.

teen: must have a credit card to sign up


so i think that even though it is NOT their intention they are doing opposite of what they were intending :/

My thinking is different.

I had my suspicions before but now I am now sure where they're headed with this. Thanks to this thread /139/19/126754/1.html

I believe they're moving towards a full integration of all ages into SL. They've moved the verfication test into LSL and land tools, which means we were given control. This gives us the freedom to declare who has access to our stuff.

We're in the middle of a major transition phase. We are at the stage that the new control, restriction, and verification tools are going to evolve.

Just watch. At some time in the future, when LL thinks they're ready, the teen grid will either disappear completely or be annexed to the main grid, with teens being able to go freely from one to the other.

They've opened the plastic bubble that used to surround SL. Expect lots of changes soon.

ok, I see your point here, and it's well taken. Although LL IS attempting to lay down security for the 2 grids, perhaps it is a bit backwards. I wish I had a quick fix to this issue that would ensure that the children stay in the Teen Grid and the Adults in the Adult grid but I think it's an issue that is going to be VERY difficult to accomplish 100%. If we COULD come up with an answer, we could probably patent it and become rich

JC, if you found a solution, the whole internet will bow at your feet. That's because there is no such solution yet that will work over the whole internet. In selected countries like South Korea, yes. But the whole internet? No.

What a horrible and nasty response to a parent who simply stated that they try to be responsibile for their children's safety. It's made me look at all your posts in a different light.

Wouldn't it be Great?

Some one help me and we'll split the profits lol

Thanks Ewan, that's kinda what I thought too /

Your attitude towards the idea that service providers should, out of a sense of social responsiblity, do what they can to help prevent predators from getting to your kids, is highly offensive.

There is no good reason for fighting against a company taking measures to protect children IN ADDITION to good parenting. There is absolutely no harm in working to protect children from both sides of the fence. It only benefits all parties involved. The only losers in this are the predators themselves.

Service providers SHOULD be required by law to take measures to protect children from accessing services which attract sexual predators, and with LL's apparent stance on sexual age-play, Second Life is definitely in that category.

I am not a bitter person in the least. In fact, I am rather the opposite. I just can't fathom how you could consider companies being responsible for preventing something that is illegal and plain evil from taking place on their servers.

Look at them in any light you wish.

It's the unfortunate truth of the matter. Someone who has never experienced such a horrible thing, could certainly never understand how it feels.

While I have not experienced such a thing, I do know someone who has. They had the same opinion presented in that which I replied to. The beleif that good parenting alone is all you need didn't keep their kid from getting raped.

My sole concern is for the safety and protection of children, and I cannot begin to fathom how anyone would object to added protection on the part of a service provider.

I do my best to educate my child, to keep things that would hurt her away from her. I would dare say that I am doing a rather good job, but I am not ignorant to the simple fact that the best parents in the world can have the worst things happen to their children.

If a company is going to provide a service which attracts children to an unsafe environment, it should damn well be liable for its inaction in taking measures to protect them.

If you had said it this way in the first place, it wouldn't have looked like such a snide and nasty dig at JC to me. I understand your point now. Thanks for explaining.

There sucks anyways, just another imitation, I may not like how the lindens are runnin' things here. But imitaters, posers, they make me so angry.. I just wanna choke the life out of them (or shoot them, whichever's easiest).

Now that I have taken a little walk, got some coffee, and cooled down a bit, I can see how my post was a fair bit over the top.

I'm sorry for the graphicishness of it. I was trying to make a point, but rather than using a pencil to draw it, I sort of went broadsword.

JC, as you may have read in my last post, I do appologize for the way I made my point... I was a little heated and let it get the best of me.

Sorry for that

by law LL is forced to prevent such.they dont,i would wish my kids to be free to do whatever they want,because i dont see such danger elsewere in the internet.yeah they can cyber in a msn convo but less chances of that happening,i blame LL for wanting to grow up their numbers and forgetting about underages-shows here a evil spirit,THIS NEEDS AN END

personally i think they are stuck in a box and that is how they are makign their decisions, heck THROW THE DARN BOX AWAY!!!!

i think we are all agreeing on the same points, i think we are just usuing different words and sometimes from one brain to the next it might not appear that way :/

You have obviously mis-read, or misunderstand what I'm saying here. I'm saying that too many times in this scociety, Parents want to blame everyone and everything but themselves for their childrens shortcomings. I do NOT oppose companies being held accountable for security in order to protect our children from online predators, etc...but the gist of the resposibility DOES lie on the shoulders of the parents to teach their kids right from wrong, as well as educate them on the dangers that are out there on the internet. Kids should be no less "street-smart" on the dangers of the internet than they are about scociety as a whole.

P.S. I posted this before I saw all of Burnams posts. I appreciate your apology Burnam, but really there is none needed. I understand the feelings and emotion that can arise out of a subjuct that strikes close to home. I certainly never intended to sound as if I am against service providers adding security to their sites in order to protect children, in fact I am all for it, but it seems as if we're making a huge issue out of SL and it's security when, in fact, there are MUCH more dangerous avenues for Child predators to use out there besides SL.

but we are active in this one and knwo it.. :/