Bill 4-30: Sim Management Bill
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Salzie Sachertorte
Wandering About
Join date: 1 Nov 2005
Posts: 84
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05-05-2006 20:14
From: Kendra Bancroft I think this is a seperate issue, and had nothing to do with my bill. I agree Kendra, but it provoked the thought. And truly, it needs to be addressed. Any ideas?
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Salzie Sachertorte
Wandering About
Join date: 1 Nov 2005
Posts: 84
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05-05-2006 20:30
From: Desmond Shang Eventually, my human form will become more of a liability than anything else, and once truly self-contained in the metaverse I can cancel that damned cruddy DSL service forever.
Snicker I'm sure you'll be a direct connect in the hereafter. Seriously, as a benevolent ruler, you're not faced with the turmoil that is N'burg. Hence leaving your password and relevant information with a trusted friend would not be construed as a plot against humanity as it just might be elsewhere, e.g., N'burg. From: Desmond Shang A slightly more complex (lawful?) solution would be a webapp which cashes the account's $L balance to USD, in accordance with properly legally documented instructions. Group officers can manage all the rest. What would be the properly legally documented instructions? What would you anticipate Lindens accepting? Should a form be developed by those concerned, so it can be properly executed and submitted without the requisite SL drama? From: Desmond Shang But I'm leaning toward AI myself. <clueless>What, pray tell, is AI? </clueless>
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Pelanor Eldrich
Let's make a deal...
Join date: 8 Feb 2006
Posts: 267
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05-05-2006 22:00
From: Salzie Sachertorte Snicker <clueless>What, pray tell, is AI? </clueless> AI stands for artificial intelligence. A program which appears to be able to think and make decisions similar to how a human might. Desmond is probably joking that he'd like to see the sim manager role taken over by a program/script he writes. If it passes the Turing test, a human won't know whether it's human or machine. Desmond: I was think about something like that myself, only half-jokingly.
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Gwyneth Llewelyn
Winking Loudmouth
Join date: 31 Jul 2004
Posts: 1,336
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05-06-2006 05:20
At the very beginning, just a few weeks before we got hold of the private island, we had a different suggestion. While Linden Lab does not allow sharing avatar passwords under any circumstance (that's a ToS violation!), PayPal is not so dramatic. You can set up a business account with several people accessing it, with different levels of permissions, each one set up with a different email address. While this would not work in the case of the sim owner suddenly selling the island without permission (heaven forbid  ), it would at least cover the issue of the sim owner "leaving" SL for some reason and avoid defaulting on payments. Alas, we did never implement these system for two reasons: - People would have access at each other's credit card data, even in incomplete form. Most are obviously reluctant to do so. I think there is a way in PayPal to keep that data confidential to a degree, but then you might be unable to add additional cards on your own, thus defeating the purpose; - At some point, PayPal can show RL data. We did many tests. While this could be due to special settings at PayPal, which were buggy/improperly understood, it was an alternative that we also had to abandon. At the end of the day, Neualtenburg works more on a personal level of trust (it's a social issue) and less on the technical implementations. Put in other words: Second Life is both a technical and social platform. Some social issues cannot be "codified" using technical solutions.
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Desmond Shang
Guvnah of Caledon
Join date: 14 Mar 2005
Posts: 5,250
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05-06-2006 09:06
From: Salzie Sachertorte Seriously, as a benevolent ruler, you're not faced with the turmoil that is N'burg. Hence leaving your password and relevant information with a trusted friend would not be construed as a plot against humanity as it just might be elsewhere, e.g., N'burg. Benevolent is as benevolent does. One bad day could change everything, yes? I am held in check by the Caledon aristocracy. Satisfying the landed gentry means full sims and a popular business: a net gain well over 1000 USD a month, and growing. Yet a complete boycott against me and mine would leave me with monthly tier charges of 826 USD, and growing. Things are a little more complicated for me than you might guess, at first blush. But I responded to make clear that I have not revealed my password to anyone, and it is a 'strong password'. At *this* point in time, were I to 'drop dead', yes, Caledon would have a problem. If I feel my mortal coil slipping, I'd do my duty and secure its future. But I'm in pretty good shape. I have little doubt that the Company would honour probate instructions regarding a post-mortem transfer, however, especially in regard to a popular place. Torley was told me that Philip was going to show off Caledon to someone the other day - it seems that it would be in *everyone's* interest to preserve Neualtenburg, Caledon, &c - what high principle is served to doom them to destruction, when all parties strive for their continuance?
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Pelanor Eldrich
Let's make a deal...
Join date: 8 Feb 2006
Posts: 267
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05-06-2006 09:10
From: Gwyneth Llewelyn At the end of the day, Neualtenburg works more on a personal level of trust (it's a social issue) and less on the technical implementations. Put in other words: Second Life is both a technical and social platform. Some social issues cannot be "codified" using technical solutions.
Well said Gwyn. In the abstract, three major problems in any SL gov't to solve are: 1. Preventing a "criminal" sim owner from selling the sim. 2. Succession of gov't posts when an avatar "gets hit by a truck". 3. Dealing with a puppetmaster using alts. You can try to deal with these on the the level of social trust, but it's not personal trust, it's avatar trust. It's very difficult to hold a RL person accountable for anything their avatar does that doesn't violate RL law or the LL ToS. You can ban, you can have them forfeit escrow, and you can ruin their in world reputation. Assuming a "criminal" is willing to leave SL forever, forfeiting escrow is the only measure that impacts them in RL.
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