I'm curious? Why wasn't I told this "rule" before I purchased an os sim???

I'm really upset with everybody right now! I feel SOMEBODY somewhere somehow should have told me about the LL "Rules" for the so sims! Maybe I missed something about it, but why would I be told that its "My" island to do with as I want and then find out its against LL wishes! Yep, I have a business on my island which is just paying the tiers, but would never cover the increase. Looks like I have to pack everything away and live in a tree, or move to the mainland which always looks "stormy" and going to rain at any minute! And the Lag is horrid there! I too am looking into another site like SL, but I have to admit that nothing seems to compare to SL. PLEASE Lindens, don't make me pack up and leave!

if you would have gone to SL site and read about openland it tells you parks or home. low volume. do your home work next time.

Doesn't "low volume" leave it rather open ended? I mean is me and my house, a few palms and some furniture low volume?

It's not exactly specific

I understand you... if i have to go to live in mainland i have to quit SL cause my connection is not so good and niether my pc so i can't live there --or have a store-- there. I can imagine the welcome... Hello *name* welcome to *store name* please give us ten minuts to load everithing. Thanks

Lol

I asked the sim owner....who should know and tell me!

If i go to a sim and i read the convenant and it sais residence and light comerce... why do i go to make another homework? How could people know how many homeworks they should do?

So, you're saying that you've never bought a piece of software without reading the EULA in full before buying, right? Bullshit.

Guess what, moron, there's a business principle called *informed* consent. This means that when somebody sells you something, they actually *tell* you what you can use it for and not make you dig through reams of fine print to find out.

Well maybe, just maybe, it's because they wouldn't have sold so well from the main supplier if they'd been used as "intended?"

Home work ?

I was told by th person who sold it to me light use .... here is a clip fromthe covenant


"" xxxx NAME xxxxxx sims provide privacy, flexibility and space in a beautiful and isolated environment. This special "high area" region gives you 4 times as much space as normal sims, for the same price. "" Zoning of these sims is very liberal, allowing both for residential and light-traffic commercial activities. ""


what home work do i need to do again ?

Bingo !

who would spend $250 and $xx a month to look at water ?

Besides ... LL raised the primlimit to make them attractive to sucker us in .... what they expect us to use the prims on that they allowed .....?

Every man and his dog knows LL wanted us to buy and use them withing the limits they set ... and we did ...... Now we are finaly getting value for money they want to up the price

Puppy dog sale anyone ?

In a world where thousands of us connect at one time, what the hell is low volume? If a full popular sim had say, 1,000 people connect (I know, the server would crash, just hang in with me) would then, 100 people be low volume? Or 50 people? Even 10? Wording such as "low volume" does not give anyone a real world idea of what is acceptable and what is not. ALSO, it was never.. You MUST not do this. It was a, "if you don't do this, we won't support you" and lets face it, LL's idea of support doesn't leave much in terms of desire does it?

The point many people are rightly making is, no strict rules were set in place. Now, months later, LL drops the bombshell they are not happy with the profits they are making from open spaces. They think they can make more. Basically, your getting a full sim now for 1/4 of the price and they don't like it. Although, they knew full well that's what they were selling you.

This is all about profit margins. LL has grown greedy. If this was about performance they would tackle the problem with a software/hardware solution. Not a price increase.

Also, don't believe the "it would take a long time" sort of comments when people speak of software/hardware solutions to the over usage problem. That's pure rubbish. It's all about money.

There is no Covenant provided for this Estate. The land on this estate is being sold by the Estate owner, not Linden Lab. Please contact the Estate Owner for sales details.

So there! and when I asked I was told it was MY island to do what i wanted with it!!!

http://ecstasyrealty.com/2008/07/standard-land-c-1.html

31- Special Provisions for Open-Spaces Sims: WARNING: You are leasing land on an Open Space Sim. If you want to create high prim buildings, or want to use a lot of scripted objects on your land, this is not the right choice for you! (Contact an ER Estate Manager for other available parcels to meet your specific needs). Linden Lab has only certified this type of sim for non demanding use!

Also, every sim is labelled as open space very clearly. As far as I know, none of my open space tenants have "abused" their space. I'm sorry you were not fully informed upfront.

The problem is LL knew how these sims where being used and continued to crank out thousands of them happy to take the $250 USD from estate owners who were leasing them out for residents to use in this way. Linden Labs was also happy to collect the advertisement dollars from the estate owners who advertised them for use this way as well.

In fact LL encouraged this sort of use by making them available in lots of 1 not 4 and by increasing the prim allowance on them also. When was the last time you say a 3750 prim ocean????

Everyone pretty much knows that there are child molesters in the world, but yet people continue to have children.

Why is it that when a company with a good idea succeeds in this country, it goes south as soon as the founder retires?

Greed

The new CEO comes in and figures out a way to make his obscene bonus and does it. Forget about the company and it’s customers. It’s the beach house in RL that matters now.

Oh wow, please tell me more specifically where I can find this information? "labelled as open space very clearly"

Thank you!

I have to agree that a certain amount of homework would be prudent before embarking on any land purchase. In the case of Open Space Sims this homework isn't that difficult..simply click on the link above..'Land'..then click on 'Open Space'.

An Openspace is a type of Private Region intended for light use, such as countryside or ocean.

There you have it in one sentence, and I really don't understand how anyone can misinterpret that one sentence to mean you can set up a business or even build there.

Please don't go getting the wrong impression that I am somehow pro Linden with regards this their latest PR screw up, I just feel that an awful lot of people have in the recent past been rather naive when purchasing Open Sims.

The thread title does however prompt what I would consider a more interesting point.....

Linden Labs must have been discussing and preparing for the release of the Open Sim changes at least several weeks prior to the official announcement. I wonder how many residents were actually warned of the impending changes before they purchased their Open Sim/s. I suspect very few if any were told that it might be wise to hold fire a day or so, before committing. I suspect Linden Labs just happily accepted their cash in the full knowledge they (LL) were about to make drastic changes to the contract their customer had just agreed to.

This leads inevitably to another question..

I wonder how many residents will be able to get their money back in light of those unexpected changes. All those who purchased in the past month maybe..two months..six months..or none!! We can probably all guess the answer to that one.

Having tenants on an OpenSpace is the very definition of abuse.

Are you *really* that stupid?

You should take the "Snow" off your name and just go by the name "Flake".

Be that as it may, selling someone 3750 prims while expecting them to not use them is tantamount to setting a five-course meal in front of someone and expecting them to stop at the hors d'ouvers. How utterly stupid and ridiculous. Or malicious.

That's rich coming from someone who apparently cannot read instructions nor understand warnings.

when i read most messages right you all are not scr*wed by LL but by your LANDLORDS
they sold/rented you the place NOT Linden Lab.

I'dutch and rules are quite simple here about buying: the seller has to tell all about the object, the buyer has to investigate all about the object so when he find something he doesn't like he can refuse the transfer of ownership.

i have 3750 prims...so i use that / i have 65000sqm ..so i use that/...... my car can speed up till 250 km /h should we use that too????
use some common sence before complaining.

In these cases, where an individual has rented land from an Estate Owner it is the responsibility of the Estate Owner to have made sure that the people renting the land knew exactly what an Openspace sim was meant for. Also it is not unacceptable to expect the person renting said Openspace sim to be a bit of homework themselves on Openspace sims.

Any Estate Manager leasing off parcels of an Openspace sim (not the whole sim) was being irresponsible as there is no way the sims were designed for that.

Any Estate Manager leasing off an Openspace sim for anything other than light use (i.e. allowing commercial use) was being irresponsible.

With all due respect, whilst Linden Labs is not correct in the way that have increased the prices on the Openspace sims (one of which I rent myself) your Estate Managers owe you an explanation as to why they leased you something under false pretenses.

I walked into the deal with my Estate Manager with open eyes - it was made clear that the land was for light use and I have no problems with that at all. I am not happy with what Linden Labs have done (or are going to do) but I can see why they have been forced to take this action due to the irresponsible way some Estate Managers have allowed Openspace sims to be used.