Jack and M. Dont destroy our dreams

Hello M and Jack Linden!

Why do you want to destroy the dreams and hopes of manny that have found a placec to realise their dreams on an openspace sim? You gave us 3750 prim and did not say what "light use" is but now as we use them you call it abuse.
Can you imagin how sad we fell?
Do you realise how much trust you lost on this?
Stop to see us as a resourse for gaining money and start to see us as the ones hoe brings life to SL. Without us the ones how like a affordable way to realise their dreams in a virtual world SL how like to shere freely and have no comartial plans SL will become a cashcow without soul.
Dont let that heppen!
Jack and M. think again!

tl;dc (too late;[they]don't care)

LL Has been in the business of slashing and burning peoples dreams through careless or intentional actions for many years now.

Sad but true.

i still have hope since the most of us dont seem to aceept the plan

Hello Josselin

I think you are absolutely right and the lindens should listen to this. I dont understand either, what the purpouse is, more than trying to make more money out of SL. Still there is allways breaking points, and now when world economy is really bad - the right thing to do is to lower the tiers instead, to keep ordinary people inworld. There is words like loyalty connected to this, and soon other similar world will pop up. Where do we put our loyalty then if treated like idiots in here...

LL is not into destroying dreams, they are into making money.
This whole charade has one objective: cut out the middle man.
Grab the 40-50 US$ profit the estate owners make a month on every OS.

But if LL wants to halt the exodus only option remains: sell Hstead without owning a full sim, and they have to do it fast or its too late.

my 2c

well i cant afford 125$ for a homestad

come to mainland...enough space for everyone

and the main part:don't blaim LL for things they didn't cause.
The real cause is at landowners and buyers who didn't read anything about open sims and mis-used ( abused) the open sims for quick and easy money:
Cheap land for shops and other resourcse consuming entertainment.

ALL pay the price for their greed for money

Enough place on Mainland ok but ugly neighbour....

But thats what estate owners charge today on average, for an OS so if we cut them out it will compensate the for the LL increase. I would gladly do it.

I have posted many messages suggesting LL sell OS (homesteads) to non estate owners but i have come to accept LL does nor care about that and has no interest in doing so
If we want a homestead we are forced to pay estate owner profits,which drives the $125 increase higher.
This really is a war of the land barrons ( they being estate owners and LL)protecting their interest .
Granted there was abuse by some on OS by those who put more than they should and ran businesses on them when that was not the intent of OS
But with one big sweeping brush,we who did not abuse them are forced to pay the increase
So many cannot afford the increase and as far as i can see it does not bother LL
They are strictly looking at this through a business looking glass and if thousands of dreams are wiped out so what,big deal more will come and join sl and pay the increase
Unfortunately they do not realize what sl can become to people,oh sure they come in sl have offices and meeting etc,but for some of us there is a profound emotional attachment to our SL experience
It is this profound emotional attachment to our SL experience they are coldly making inaccessable to so many anymore and they have to let go of their dreams because of this increase
When they started the dream it was affordable,now LL has coldly snatched that dream from them
Hours,days,months,years of painstaking work to create a dream of their imagination come to life,proudly looking over their creation with pride as to what they have accomplished
I am one of those who created their own dream island,and maybe to a much smaller extent than some,i will grudgingly pay the increase,but it is the estate profit on top of that makes the increase more to those of us who rent,but as with the increase,it matters little to LL,they are a company like most businesses,all brain and no heart or soul or compassion.
I guess all the crying is over,and this increase will go through and only estate owners can buy homesteads
In the end all that was offered is a silly 750 prim OS that is pretty well useless to most,and a name change of the OS island

absolutely true 1000%,i wish i was only paying $75,some of us pay close to the increase now,so $125 is nothing new to us renters
What stupid LL does'nt seem to realize is that with the increase, the profit on top drives so many off their islands cos they cant afford them
If we could buy a homestead from LL then most of us could afford the increase cos thats what we pay now

First of all I doubt that's the average price.

Secondly you're going to have to stump up the full price in advance.

I would probably agree,if $125 was the average then that would mean some pay more than $125
I would say some pay more or less close to $125
I understand what he means and i get his point,as for paying upfront for a homestead that is a given

I had a dream ...

About a place of my own ...
With a beautiful sunset ...
Where i can look out over the ocean ..

With no ugly office building next to my beach..
With no banlines blinking in the way ..
With no stupid neighbours building houses or attractions on my doorstep

I got my dream ...
I lived in my dream ...
An now i will lose my dream

There is a limit of what this may cost

With my island gone, i will be homeless, and increase the use on public places ... maybe this will be "abuse" as well, and I will be banned from SL.

I had a dream ...

@nikita2 Denimore and others

cout out the middleman?

were does it say you can buy a homestad without owning a full sim?

all Jack said about it is:

If you want more than an Openspace, we will offer you the choice of moving to a new product called Homesteads that is intended for light use such as low density rentals. For existing Openspace owners we will phase in the price increase for this new product over the next 6 months. Homesteads will also have technical limits for avatars and prims, and eventually script limits as well.

if i read this right we dont only have to pay more no we get less for it

Same. I'm paying $110 a month, my gf $120, so paying $125 a month wouldn't be a big deal or go too far off budget (other than exchange rate differences). It's the $40-$50 on top of that starts to make the OS completely unrealistic.

A friend and I share and pay $108. Bearing in mind the fact that we didn't pay anything for the land when we took it over and only pay the tier, I'm quite happy with the fact that we pay more than the wholesale price. We don't have the risk nor the larger "down payment".

I'd certainly would have been more than interested in buying a Homestead of my own if LL went that route, but then again, seeing this fiasco, its not like I earn that much money that I can throw it down the pan with an obviously bad investment.

And the more time that goes by without a whisper of a Linden, the less convinced I become.

(by the way...the first announcement thread now seems to be closed...reason being 250 pages is the limit?)

Please bear in mind for those land owners in Europe they are charged VAT on top of the fees LL impose which of course is passed on to those renting from me. So for me just to break even I will be asking 160USD tier for a homestead sim. And yes before I rented out I did point out the VAT and that cheaper rentals may be available elsewhere. So just because you are being charged over what LL says you should be, you are not always being ripped off.

Most chickens and cattle likely wouldn't accept that they are to be slaughtered and barbecued, but that doesn't stop chicken ranchers from selling dead chickens and beef to restaurants, for a healthy profit.

The point is, LL doesn't CARE how many people they piss off and force to leave. They are certain there will be more cattle in the incoming chute, who never knew SL any other way, and who will accept the new prices as "the way it's always been".

Oh yes. I paid a very large amount of money for some nice mainland in the very center of SL. I build and sell ships and moved my entire business and home to mainland. I thought it is a good idea to move to the roots if SL.... well.
- it was very laggy
- very limited terraforming, I never had enough water
- the land around me kept changing. New owners, new buildings - each time uglier, taller, larger
- banlines!
I gave up the idea and sold the land with a great loss and moved back to private sims.
I will not go back.
The mainland experience made me lose more than 1000 USD.

You can still have that. True, the actual area will be smaller. But there are plenty of beautiful waterfront residential estates that disallow ban lines, ugly office buildings and other eyesores.

It's not like it's all or nothing. It takes a bit of searching, yes, but there were beautiful areas to live pre-OS sims and there will still be, post-OS.

josselin,it does'nt say you can buy a homestead without owning an estate anywhere,you have to be an estate owner to buy a homestead

OH....You mean that awful, god-forsaken place where the lag is so bad you can't even move? Where you're at the mercy of the neighbors who think that large builds that encroach on your property and horrendous amounts of scripts are good things? THAT MAINLAND?

Pass. And pass again.

This is from the knowledge base\ (re.Josselin)
What things have not changed about Openspaces, Homesteads and Private regions?

* You still need to own a Private region to buy an Openspace or Homestead.
* Setup fees for Openspaces and Private Regions remain the same.
* Monthly fees for Openspaces and Private Regions remain the same.
* As stated on the Second Life Blog, the Owner and the Payor must be the same person on an Openspace or Homestead.

so the cout out of the middle man (landlord) is not the reason its pure greed or you would be able to buy a homestad without owning a fullprim sim