Show of hand's please ; WHO had a poor performing OS ?

I sent mine back because I bought under the $425 price and had an offer to send it back and rebuy under the $250 offer. It might have been worth $250 but it certainly wasn't worth $425 to me. I never ended up rebuying.

I experience no lag or problems of any kind and never have

To be frank, there were times when some of my OS sims were very slow. These were sims with only one resident each. Concierge service was helpful and restarted my sims on different servers and things got much better.

On another occasion, again on a sim with a single resident, I tracked down the issue to a badly scripted shark that was causing a lot of lag. She had three instances running and making everything slow. The shark was returned to the maker for a refund.

Overall my customers are happy wih the performance of their sims. Most of them are on single residence sims with a few using them for personal projects.

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has never been laggy, as the sim is only used for light residental.

Ok Guys ...Monday morning ... lets keep them votes comming in , Would be nice to show at least a small pecentage of peoples experiences with the use of OS .



And i would like to add , Of the 11 people who voted that they had laggy sims ..... Not one comment from any of them ........ Strange don't you think ?




If you have had problems ... lets hear them .... My guess is of the 11 people who say they had problems ...most of them will be the idiots who seem to enjoy trolling this forum ...

You know who you are .... and you can't sing ether ..

I was one that voted that I have very poor performance on my OS sim. From the moment it was delivered...less than 3 weeks ago, it has shown "Poor" and "Bad" performance on my Conover Sim Performance Hud. This was when there was not a single prim on it...except my avie. And I was able to get my rendering for the avie down to 162... including hair and clothes. I have to say though that I have very seldom noticed lag there, even now that I have started to build it up. I just get concerned when I see the message from the hud go from a yellow "poor" to a bright red "bad" for no known reason.

I did Tp around to other sims...OS sims, full sims and some mainland sims just to see how the Hud rated them. I have a store on the "Mainland" that gets at the very least 100 unique visitors a day. It is so laggy that I not only have a hard time TPing there and out, but it takes me at least 5 minutes to rez when I go there. I have a great computer and I'm able to keep my draw distance up to 312 but the textures there still never completely rez...especially the closer ones which I think is really weird. Anyway...the performance Hud on this mainland sim shows "awesome"....always. It never changes like the one on my OS sim does. You could have knocked my Avie over with a feather. All the other Full Island sims and OS sims I visited with the hud on displayed "good" to "awesome". I could not find another sim that showed "poor" OR "bad" like my OS does.

Another test of this Hud is that I was at the ACS grand-opening this past Sunday. At the beginning of the event the hud displayed "Awesome" but by the time the Suvivior Makeover Fashion Show started it was displaying "bad" in bright red. So I have to assume that the Hud is working right.

Now all that being stated...I love my OS sim and plan to pay the extra...but ONLY if LL is going to do something about the performance. I'm assuming since it was "poor" and "bad" when there was not a thing rezzed on it, it has to be whatever it shares a server with. It is connected with one other OS sim to 2 full sims that our business partner owns. The other OS sim always has a "awesome" performance rating along with the 2 full sims. So I find the performance of this one OS sim very strange. Even before anything was rezzed on it...I reset the sim several times hoping it would come back up on a different server. But no luck so far.

I can only say that this whole performance issue has me very puzzled.

I voted that I had a laggy sim and you have my comment. Furthermore I see other comments from others that did. Notwithstanding that the OP states "a simple yes or no will do."

My husband and I have 2 OS. Our main home is on and the other one we held our wedding. Before we had our wedding on his, he held a fishing tournament to test how well the sim performed and there was no lag. Our wedding was lag free. Also I went to a friend's wedding who owns lots of sims, including OS. His wedding was held 2 days before mine and my husband and I commented how well our friend's OS was performing and he had about up to 46 guests at one time and he asked everyone to turn off their ao's, bling, etc and the sim performed beautifully and that only underscore our confidence in our sim's performance.

My husband irl works for an IT department and he is always making sure we are in compliance and periodically test the sim's performance.

The title of this forum said a simple yes or no would do. Maybe those of us with poor sim issues did not respond for fear of being called idiots and trolls.

You are right about one thing though....I cannot sing

Ooh.. A poll that names names... *Starts a poop list*. (^_^)

Oh my OS was/is performing VERY bad. A few things might not be clear though. When walking around on it, building, talking etc., performance "felt" fine. This can have a lot to do with the low visual lag and therefor the low textures and agent update time. The conover tool metioned earlier monitors script performance though. And it's the script lag that can be and probably will be simply apalling. Also tping into my own sim didn't work half of the time, there have been complete days that i couldn't enter, not by tp, not by walking. When i finally could enter, again, walking and talking, no issues. Also avatars with their scripts did make performance drop about twice as fast as on a normal sim, if not more.
Let me add that this sim is/was virtually script free, I have/had estate rights so I could monitor them.

So.... the poll doesn't resemble the performance of the sims, it does however show most people had no problems with them..I hope LL thinks about that and uses that information.
I bet for a lot of users the computer/videocard or their settings are a limiting factor and people are fine with their experience. They won't notice the bad script performance of the OS, nor do they care, maybe bundling those people on a server is an option?

Sorry about that Bell , Maybe what i said come out wrong or was misunderstood , It was not ment as an insult to you or anyone who has posted a comment here that may be negative .

It was directed at people making a vote and leaving no comment for us to gather info from , Im sorry if it come across like that it was not ment to offend genuine case's

Ok with that ( i hope cleared up ) This pole is very importent in that it gives us a small insight into the claims that OS is a problem for far less people than LL would have us belive .

Bad batch of servers /processers could be behind the issue , Its not unherd of to have faulty micro electronics that are mass produced in millions ... Could it be ( IF ) a problem exists that it could be duff hardwear ?

Im still not convinced that LL are being honest with us , It would be so easy for them to pull out data and show us all to let us see that OS's are a problem ..... Proof if you like ! ...... But nothing .

The numbers on this pole will not give a true reading unless every OS owner / renter actualy voted on it ..... But just from the numbers we have its clear as day to see that this suposed problem effects a very VERY small number of people .

I would like to see them people helped .....But that kind of problem lays with LL and not the large pecentage of people that have no problems .

The more people that vote and add a comment , The more idea we have that this is a genuine problem .... and maybe the people with problems could be looked at individualy and find that the hardware they are hosted on was all bought in the same week / month or whatever .... Bad batch of CPU's anyone ?

I know that would be too simple ... But LL and OS owners with or without problems all need help here .

I have four OS regions linked to my main island. We've only had one performance problem with an OS region during the past eight months, and that was due to a looping script that sucked resources where ever it ran, full-prim region or OS region.

In fact, one of our OS regions hosted an all-day affair that saw 10-40 avatars (agents) in attendance at all times during a 24 hour period; visitors were asked to remove all scripted attachments and bling. 3,250 prims were rezzed in the region, and there were almost 200 scripted objects running. We carefully monitored the performance of the sim during this time period (report with metrics available upon request).

No degradation, no problems.

This continues to be the case two months later.

I would have gone and found something else to do. (^_^)y

Apology accepted
The reason I posted about my OS is that is seems to be more the exception than the rule. As I stated...my OS sim had a 'poor" or "bad" performance right from delivery with nothing rezzed on it and not a single script. It is attached to 2 full sims and only 1 other OS that all get "awesome" performance rating. And while my OS has a terrible performance score...I very seldom feel any lag there. Unlike where I rent on the mainland where I can hardly move and somethings never rez no matter how long Im there. That sim has an "awesome" performance rating.

I would really like to know what really causes poor performance...the only thing I can think of (in this case) would be bad hardware on the server where it resides. And since there is no support for OS sims I cannot even call to report it. As I stated earlier....I went to as many OS sims I could find, along with several Full Island & Mainland sims and could not find another sim that had such a poor performance rating. In fact...there was not even an average..they were all "good" or "awesome"...even the laggiest.

Ummm.. I commented.



Well, if you are hell-bent on trolling, fine, but it doesn't change the fact that OS sims have been a bad experience for some people who even use them in accordance with LL's wishes.

whilst performance on our full has degraded....

All 12 of our OS are for residential. 4 rented out - a single home on each one, the other 8 for the scenery. It all depended on the types of scripts we were running. One resident complained and we had a linden turn up to check (yes that's when they were supporting OS residential) who could not see a problem. We also suffered with one which was running a number of catoonimal animals temp rezzing to "move" - once we removed those it was fine. OS do not seem to like temp rez objects. Even a party, full blown club with more flashy lights you could wish for, to test performance was OK. We asked party goers to turn up in their blingiest clothes We did an hour on the OS which was empty ish, then moved and had an hour on the full which had stuff - did not notice any difference. The JIRA where we were all commenting on performance issues makes an interesting read. Even on a completely empty OS the time dilation was very variable - prims could not have contributed to that test as there were none there. In fact I think at one point it was proven that OS had better performace than full for some object types (sorry can't remember which ones) . Also we have to admit - we believe performance to have improved recently. So not really sure which one to vote for - at one point yes, but now we'd be tempted to say no.

OK ...Let me just clear this up again so we can move on towards getting some kind of answer .

What i ment by what i said was ... people are voting ... but not commenting ... I worded it wrong ... OK ?

IF people voted at least leave a comment to say GOOD OR BAD !

Its not rocket science to figure that out

Can we get back to the matter in hand now ?

My open runs perfectly fine almost all the time with the exception of on the weekend when over 70,000 AVs are online. Then I get slight lag.
My open sim is NOT broken. It does not need to be fixed. It does not need a class 5 server and I don't need to feed it $50 USD a month more to have it work right, it works fine now.

YES I voted

No, it requires mind-reading when your words don't match your meanings, which is even more difficult.



Fine by me.

Im A bit confused Belle .... you say your getting a score / rating ?... Is this from A HUD ?

You then say that on your OS you very seldom have lag but the score / rating you get is bad ?

But on mainland you have problems with movment and and objects rezzing .... And that sim Has an AWESOME rate / score ?

Throw the HUD away ..... its no good


Dont base your OS performance on a HUD that quite obvousily is wrong .... If it tells you AWESOME on a laggy hard to move around in sim that fails to rez objects .... And then tells you POOR / Bad ?.... on an empty sim .... No wonder your confused .

BUMP in responce jacks new blog .

Maybe M linden will take a look after he has made his long over due blog .

I think more people will visit the forum today so it gives them a chance to vote good AND bad comments .

If you vote ether way PLEASE say why you voted .

It functions where scripts are allowed to run and returns a relative number that takes a bit of experience to interpret. As with estate tools and the stats tab you have to know what to look for in the indicated readings. A Conover utilizes various scales for example an old class 2 server would peak at 800 a class 3 at about 1500-1600 a class 4 at 2600 and a class 5 at 5000 unless you happen to be on a Linden tweaked sim for a 6000 top.

I have used it since my days as a full island class 4 owner. The numbers mean nothing but they seem to interpret the health of a sim fairly accurately. The class 4 Islands were much more fragile than the class 5's when released. It used to be difficult to keep a class 4 running at 50% of the maximum indicator or 1200 to 1500. When I moved to a class 5 Server the same configuration would run at 75% of the class 5 maximum or between 3000 and 4500.

Now to the OSS When blank they also run at 5000, at least the one we had. As you load them with prims and scripts they do exhibit the same characteristics as any class 5 server and perform what seems very well. The big change comes about when scripted avatars arrive. Depending on what scripts are worn you can observe each arrival on the Conover.

You however see no or very little change in the stats tab except for the number of scripts on the island.

Doing this on a full Island you see some movement but at a factor of 5 or 10 to 1 less.

An example of this is a test we did One of us was wearing a lot of scripts and when she entered the OSS the reading dropped from 4000 to 1200 the same test on our full island the time dropped from 4400 to 4150 then recovered back to 4250 - 4300 the OSS did not recover.

One thing about the OSS I have noticed you will not begin to feel lag until the numbers drop below 800 while if you have suppressed a full island to that level it is not functional.

The old 4 up OSS used to perform in the same manner even with the 1875 prim limit.

The performance of the OSS is more subject to Avatar count using the sims and very sensitive to the scripts worn.

Another factor of course are your graphic settings if you reduce them you will also not see many problems but I happen to enjoy all the detail )).

We have 680 Prims and 230 scripts running on the old OSS and it idles at 4000 Conover 1.0 to 1.2ms of frame time .3 to .5 ms script time .2 ms of sim time other 45 FPS.

Another nice little feature of the Conover is it also has a FPS and time dilation readouts so you don't have to always be popping up the stat tab.

Now to the question what does it tell you )) It tells me the state of any sim without going into analysis.

Talking with the creator his statement was most OSS run between 200 and 400 which is interesting because they have a top of 5000.

My lag has only increased over the last week or so - oddly around the time the OS fiasco occurred!

I voted my OS worked fine. The only person who had any noticable ongoing problems, is my partner. But, his problems came when he was on the road, he's a trucker, and was borrowing someones' older laptop. From time to time there would be some lag for others, including myself, but it was extremely sporadic and usually during the weekend.