Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Account Verification for Accessing Adult Content

Does the government get a cut of the Euros spent? If so, then you have the reason why all the other options were shot down.

They said no such thing.
I have yet to see a message from a resident who requested such a system.
No. Private estates with "super-mature" content will be expected to set the "adult" flag. The Lindens said that private estates wouldn't have to physically move, not that they would not need to be flagged adult.

I've tried to keep with these threads, so if someone has mentioned this, forgive me...

One glaring problem with the current age verification system...only one account or Avi can be age verified using the same ID...

What about the business owner who wants an alt to have some 'fun'?
What about someone with a high profile position in a RL business or institution who wants an alt for 'fun'?
What about the person who just wants a little anonymity when they want to seek out some 'fun'?
What about the adult content creator who uses an alt to test new product?

Now maybe this may help remove all the Traffic Bots at Adult establishments but it will definitely impact anyone who has an alt for any other reason.

I think thats not a good solution. I persolnaly don't whant to insert my credit card info for a game or service when I'm not paying for anything. Besides if you request a credit card after a trial time then you can as well compare SL to a some MMORPG like wow?

The law makes a distinction between an adult soliciting what the adult KNOWS to be a minor, and an adult soliciting what the adult BELIEVES to be another adult. If a minor is lying and pretending to be an adult, and another adult has no other way to verify (seen in person, etc), and pursues the minor on the premise that the minor IS an adult, then the foul is on the minor, and more importantly, on the minor's parents/guardians. NO ONE is going to have their "good name" dragged through ANYthing if the minor lied and continued to lie.

As such, in that situation, I have NO FEAR of being prosecuted or even accused of contributing to the delinquency of a minor or anything else, since I have NO WAY of determining the truth until the minor reveals it to me. However, what I do at that point is of paramount importance. If a minor I have become "amorous" with reveals the fact that she is a minor, I would break it off right then and there, because that's the right thing to do. No minor or parent/guardian can do/say squat to me in that case. In fact, if I EVER find out who the parents are, I think a friendly call to their local DFACS office with the chat logs and evidence that this child is not being properly supervised will be in order. So, parents BETTER get a handle on their kids, if they don't want any trouble from me.

I am aware that there are quite a number of minors on the adult grid. I report them as I encounter them, with few exceptions. However, I presume, by Linden Lab's ACTIVE efforts and statements, that the grid is ADULT-ONLY. So, from a LEGAL perspective, any defense starts out from a very strong basis that I *expect* the people I encounter are adults until and unless I have evidence otherwise.

I've seen several posts the disturb me a lot..
Its not a bad idea from LL to improve the system, in fact, its good.
There are too many ''cildren'' on SL that need to be on the Teen Grid.
However, in the end the child is reponsible for his actions. If it means he thinks he has to lie and get a fake identity he WILL find a way.. no matter what system we're using.

We should make clear that anybody who is 18- will be banned from SL without warning.
And the Lab needs to count on us, the 18+ members, by reporting any underage residents.

Anyway, coming to verifying by credit card..
This can't be THE solution..
I know many 18+ people that dont have a credit card, but just a bank card.
In the country were I live, I need to pay a fee to get a credidcard (Visa, Mastercard etc.)
Of course I will not do that, because I simply refuse that, because I can verify myself with my passport. But its frustrating to see that Linden lab will probably decide to use the creditcards as an ONLY valid way to verify myself.

PLease find another way to get the system fixed, because credit cards is not a GREAT solution for everybody.

You're right, it's not, but there is no requirement of significance, legal or otherwise, that it has to be.

If a minor presents fake, but credible ID to get into an adult club (happens all the time, too), the club is not liable for the welfare of that minor, because they did the minimum due diligence required by the law.

Online, clicking "I am 18+ and understand that I am entering a venue with adult content" is the minimum due diligence required by the law, because there is no such thing as "online ID" that the law recognizes as more effective.

So ok I'm a Adult Living in Africa I don't have a Credit card(Yes you can get along with out one)
(This side there very tough to get a credit card anyway Got to have lots of money very lucky or Know sum one high up to bribe )

I don't what to post my Id to any place on the net and i really don't want my photo On my Profile So I'm screwed

Anyone say identity theft anyways how long before they get or info and use it to do God know what with it

Not to poke the Parents but Checking what your kid doing online start with you ?? Thats what Parenthood is about after all (Protecting the your young and making them safe)
Hell if i got kids (One day i will be paranoid to the point of obsession to what there up to online)

Not hard to see what there running and Seeing what there doing if anything im sure Even the ISP can help showing you were everybody go's and what there doing , not spying if you pay the account with money you earned after all

Not to sound like a bad guy But did the adult and teen version split to protect the Little Ones from the big bad Adults

They keep this up and i will walk the main land with a giant Willy Stuck to my forehead when ever i go there and i will find a g-String and a big Set of flashing boobs to make me look even more silly

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I would love to have someone explain to me why the system needs to be so harsh.
According to this post

LL is merely looking for a system which offers an effective content filter for resident who don't want to accidentally stumble into adult sims. This is NOT about minors and teens being in places where they shouldn't be...
So why isn't a little "please filter adult content for me" checkbox sufficient in this case?

Because the system relies on content creators flagging their content properly in the first place.

That's the real problem, to which this "segregation" policy will have no real effect upon.

I just don't understand why people balk at the idea of account verification. These days there are very affordable services designed to protect your personal information, to keep it from falling into the hands of third party soliciters and would-be identity thieves. I didn't hesitate to verify my accounts, and have had not one single problem since. I saw mention a few posts back about only being able to verify one account per verification option or payment option, but that isn't true. I used to have 2 characters, running seperate businesses (done so to keep the accounting and purchasing records seperate) that were both verified with the same method, in this case Paypal.

To people who don't spend a goodish amount of time playing SL, I've heard them describe it as an Xrated online Disneyland. One of my friends was asked by their RL partner to stop playing SL, because of the amount of sexual content that he was finding everytime he would do a search to look for places to ride horses or visit farming villages. (He's an algriculture junkie LOL And I had told him there were John Deere tractors in SL) so obviously there needs to be some kind of warning or flagging system implemented. I also have gone to visit several places that were not marked as Mature sims, only to find sexual content and opportunity for "mature" situations. For me personally, most of that isn't a problem. If I'm somewhere that makes me uncomfortable, I simply TP away. But for others, it may be offensive, disgusting, and ultimately what drives those types of people away from SL altogether. Some of you may be thinking "oh well" or "good" but this game isn't designed to cater to only certain people's interest in creating a virtual world. This game is open to anyone who wants to participate.

The issues with minors on the adult grid is just pointless. We all know they're there, and going to keep coming anyway. Accountability is everything in this regard. We were all teenagers once, and had crushes on the concept of older men, older women. It's not possible for any parent to always monitor what their child or teenager is up to, even if the computer(s) at home are monitored, there are friends' houses, school, the library, internet cafe's, even gaming clubs and centers. 2 blocks down the road from my house, is a business with rows of computers, each of which accesses MMORPG and online games. Including SL. And nobody monitors those, even though I'd say about 80% of the people at those computers are minors. Bottom line is that you should make sure you know who you're talking to because you start illicit conversation. Be accountable for your own actions, instead of blaming whistful minors who think they know what they're getting into (we ALL thought we knew it all back then). You are the adult, presumably, in the situation. So behave like one.

So, if LL works out the kinks as it were, in the system, and can implement it properly, then good on them and I hope their plan reaches its goal. I personally would rather there be warning signs, something to say "Hey you're about to enter some adult content" as opposed to just landed, and being in the midst of- well, I'm sure you can finish that yourself. LOL. And I don't mind being verified at all. Too many people flipping out about third party nonsense, when the people I know verified and haven't had issues with third party anybodies.

You sure about that? I know I verified a couple alts for testing purposes, back when the ID Verification thing was first introduced. They got verified.

(Mind you, the whole thing didn't work. Some non-verified alts could get on restricted parcels, too, and there were other restricted parcels none of my verified accounts could access. This went on for months until I could no longer find any restricted parcels to test, having long since abandoned the idea for any of my own land.)

But also, supposedly just having Payment Info On File is good enough.

(Incidentally, that's why everybody will move to Adult land. There's practically no barrier to entry, and pretty much everybody will end up getting verified one way or another--just to be able to buy those "private part prims" if for no other reason.)

It's still in the KB that you can verify as many avatars as you like with the same information, and I was able to do that just two days ago.

Any council or business that depended on a no admittence sign to keep unauthorised people out of an dangerous area would still have their arse sued off from the first person who walked in and got electrocuted for not taking reasonable steps to keep people out.

Nowhere near as affordable or effective as not passing such information to third parties in the first place. I'm verified too but I did it with information I was comfortable giving out, that's not an option at the moment but looks like it might be again soon.



A few things, people not flagging their parcels or adverts properly is a community standards issue that requires policing to fix.

Secondly if you think SL having a super XXX zone will change people's perceptions of it being X-Rated think again.

We know it's broken, but that doesn't mean it's unfixable, it's not rocket science, just a single flag that seems to work fine for "NPIOF"'s when used.

What adult flag??

LL seems to be saying that people who want to visit the new naughty mainland continent will have to be age verifed. My question is if the same rule applies to private islands - will people who visit them be required to age verify?

Yes Sindy they will if the sim is flagegd as adult, but age verification is gonna be a whole lot easier.

The third party Verification company are in this for your profile. Pure and simple. They sell your data to whom ever would like to buy it. You name, your address, your Date of Birth, your Political lean, your religious belief, your ownership of a weapon, car or house, and if you play an adult online game. You kinky person you, hope that you are not planning on joining .......

There is no care given to ensure that kids can not get through the system. 23 US state attorney generals found fault with the way the Age Verification service operated. The US Supreme Court has killed COPA as being unconstitutional. Visa stated that it is against their rules to use a credit card as age verification.

So hand out personal data and help them improve their profile of you, so they can sell it. They are not charging you for the service so they have to pay the bills somehow.

See: http://www.aristotle.com

That's not how the account verification in Second Life was originally set up. You had to do it through a data mining company called Aristotle, and you could only have one character verified. Many people have not realized that they are now accepting payment information on file, and have bad memories of the old Aristotle system.

We're not talking about a dangerous area. Though where I grew up there were plenty of dangerous areas only protected by signs: dangerous currents, tidal rips, and a WWII military installation that had been turned to a historical park.

I think most people feel apprehensive about giving up personally identifiable information, especially if its for the sole purpose of engaging in things that would be considered adult in nature.

Is there any reason that Second Life couldn't accept verification from multiple age verification providers?

That way, there would be choice as to which one users feel most comfortable with using, or if they already have information on file with one already, they would be able to just go through that.

If so, what would the minimum requirements be?

Well we were talking about a dangerous are actually if you check the post I replied too.
Well welcome to the 21st century where you have to cover your butt in every legal way possible for fear of being sued/extorted by a generation determined to finacially exploit any lapse in your defenses with the support of the same great legal system :/

This is rediculous!
For the first year I was in SL I tried about once-a-month to get my American Express Platinum card info accepted by Lindenlabs. They have ALWAYS been criminally negligent in processing my AMEX card info, they refused to fix their negligent system, and they always tried to blame AMEX (I always verified with my Platinum AMEX concierge that no transaction was ever submitted by/for LindenLab.) I gave up and have not tried since.
NOW you say you will depend on this proven-to-be-negligent system to identify who will not be imprisoned with the screaming snotpigs in the big-fat-teen-grid you will turn SL into?