1.22 RC9 - Now available

Hi Giantm - Thanks for pointing this problem out, but I noticed that no JIRA issue has been logged for it. Please go to jira.secondlife.com and create a new issue describing what you're seeing - and don't forget to provide your environment info and steps to reproduce!

Thanks again!

Welcome in the harsh world of these forums Dessie Linden

Dessie: Many of us either cannot make heads or tails out of the Jira, are tired of having our bug reports erased by other users, or just think the Jira is a black hole where bugreports go to disappear. So long as it takes an hour to enter a report and only seconds for a random troublemaker to delete it as "fixed", there is no point in using it.

Sorry, I know it conflicts with your processes. But your processes don't work. Either accept the data given to you, regardless of where and how, or do without.

It's not perfect, but it works better than throwing your suggestions and bug reports into a black hole, like you do with a company like Apple.

I cannot say one way or the other, because I've yet to have to report a bug on an apple ipod or iphone (the only apple products I have, though there are four of them.) So I've no idea what their idea of a Jira looks like. However, I know the SL Jira, and that putting in bug reports is a waste of time since certain "users" have nothing better to do with their time than interfere with other people's bug reports. And if you should be lucky enough that the bug reaches a programmer's eye, the result is always CND - could not duplicate. Ask any of us Avionics types about CNDs sometime.

But since Apple has so few problems and SL has so many, maybe LL should examine how Apple's "Black hole" works and implement something like it. Success need apologize to no-one.

It's a form you fill in asking for information about the problem, you click submit, and you never hear of them again.

Yes, there are jerks who haunt the JIRA, I've run into a few, but the fact that *occasionally* you *may* run afoul of them, that doesn't mean "putting in bug reports is a waste of time". It means it *may be* a waste of time. With most companies larger than a sole proprietorship, putting in bug reports is always a waste of time, because they're a dead end. You never get a response.

Funny, that's not my experience.

Ha ha. Ha. Ha ha ha. HA HA HA HA! Heh heh... I'm sorry... ha ha ha... I can't... sorry... I gotta break. Apple... few problems... hee hee...

As for a black hole, how about posting your bug reports in these Forums

Bug: Black hole in the forums.
How to reproduce: Post your bug report in the forums.
Expected result: Someone reads them.
Observed response: They vanish into a black hole.

Oh, how can I forget this one?

Bug: All software sucks.
How to reproduce: Use any software.
Expected result: It doesn't suck.
Observed result: It sucks.

I'd have noticed the effect I'm seeing now if had existed before. What I'm seeing now is new to appear on my system and quite bad.

Just a little something I noticed: My Showcase tab is working correctly again. Don't remember for sure when, but atleast a couple of versions earlier I noticed that when I chose one of the showcased places on the right - nothing happened on the left - no pic, no TP, no description. Now it's back to normal.

OK - I still have complete freeze when taking pics or choosing a texture in edit, and still have to run my new NVIDIA on low graphics anywhere I go when I leave "home", but it's partly because I haven't gotten around to downgrading my vid driver. Don't want to even risk it before I get my old compy back up and running. I still get grey, but a lot less than before - but still have the problem that it takes AGES for anything to focus and I usually end up having to ALT-click to get something to focus to start with.

I first noticed it a couple of years ago in one of the Elvenglen islands, because they'd changed the water level. Most places keep the water level at 20 meters, so you only see it in those places.

There's other situations where you can see this, when you're doing extreme camming, but I don't think that's what you're talking about.

Are you seeing it in places where the water level doesn't vary?

I had heard in a note from Caliah Lyon that the avatar mesh was fixed in .22 from grey to white. When I first tried the RC's back at .7 I did think that avatars looks brighter and skins looked better — the expected result. I took a number of photos that seemed to confirm this.

But with .9 I can see no difference in skin lightness in comparing the RC with the default viewer under default lighting. Photos taken seem to confirm no discernible difference. Has something been changed here, and have we been rolled back to a grey avatar mesh? As a photographer this is quite a blow — better default lighting for skins was a God-send.

For your interest Caliah Lyon's blogpost on this is here. Just note the opening paragraph.

http://secondsoigne.wordpress.com/2008/04/10/optimising-windlight-for-avatars-20/

I still wait for the day, an intel GPU get's a "1" (no joke!) in the GPU table Guess, it won't happen before nVidia will sell chipset graphics worth for a "3" (they are very close to "2" now

Btw. how about adding a "4" soon with some higher LODFactors and a default 4x AA? We need to waste the performance of all those DX10-Cards

A good test is to make a skin with all-white textures, then attach an all-white prim (the "Default" button in the SL texture picker will get you there for both). If the patch is still present, both should appear to be the same white, without the VWR-8012 fix the skin will appear to be noticeably darker than the prim. For what it's worth, it still seems to be matching for me in 1.22.9.

Thanks Viktoria — that's good to know.

Both textures and sculpties are taking forever to load now. *sigh* The best so far was version 6. I might as well go back to the current client.

I crash every time I try to save a texture to my hard drive with the update to 1.22 RC9, will post to the JiRA too

Second Life 1.22.9 (110075) Feb 10 2009 12:43:24 (Second Life Release Candidate)
Release Notes

You are at 293788.4, 267975.5, 1002.0 in Sailors Cove located at sim4796.agni.lindenlab.com (63.210.159.192:12035)
Second Life Server 1.25.5.109327
Release Notes

CPU: Intel Core 2 Series Processor (1729 MHz)
Memory: 2046 MB
OS Version: Microsoft Windows Vista Service Pack 1 (Build 6001)
Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Graphics Card: GeForce Go 7600/PCI/SSE2
OpenGL Version: 2.1.0

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I use a music changer and when i get to a url that isnt working in the presets, my music player no longer works even if i switch back to one that is working. I have to relog.

I have to keep asking people if there music playing when i no longer hear any, becuase the music player in rc9 is unrealiable.

Hi Shockwave - I'm sorry you feel that submitting bug reports to JIRA isn't useful, but it is the only means we have to understand what residents are experiencing in a meaningful and organized fashion, as well as in the same format we use internally. Allowing residents to comment on and/or edit others' JIRAs allows those who have had their own experience of a bug vote on it and log comments. It also helps to minimize the number of duplicate bugs logged for an individual issue. Though there may be times when that openness/privilege is abused, I encourage you to re-open any bug that you feel was closed in error.

I want you to know that resident-reported bugs are very often imported into Linden Lab's internal JIRA. While there are admittedly some that we cannot reproduce, there are many others that we can, and which then get assigned to developers and fixed. If you doubt this, you can see lots of examples in the Release Notes!

Please give JIRA another try, as the issues you find are important to us and we cannot investigate them in any other way.

Thanks!

I noticed that yesterday too. I had to relog also - and then it worked.

This issue has been posted on pJIRA "SecondLife Audio Stream dies if avatar visits a parcel with a bad audio stream" VWR-9300 http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-9300 Please add your comments and vote

Whatever my display problems are, it's not the RC 9 that's causing them. I've used several viewers since my first post about this and it's much the same on all. The screen's flashing and flickering as things are displayed. I think there's a hardware problem on my machine. Might need to shovel out the dust and such maintenance things as that, or finally break down and buy myself a new video card.

And how many other people are finding that when they TP to a sim like Ahern, that it looks totally isolated from the other sims and you need to relog because you can no longer TP out.

It's happened about a dozen times since using the beta client 1.22.9

What you describe is very much like what people were noticing this other thread (at least one person was seeing the problem while running 1.21):
/327/b3/306624/1.html