Why Are All Forum Posters Pretentious? (Or, The New Release Candidate)

A lot of the problems people are complaining about with the new release seem to be very "nitpicky". It seems that a lot of you really do *not* like change, but more so that you want to fire off at every given opportunity.

Very few people seem to respect the sheer complication of their job in bringing us the virtual world which we have come to love.

All of that said...

As a woman/girl/female avatar, I like being able to right-click an attachment (such as my really long hair that always gets in the way) and pull up my contacts, profile, etc. I really *like* that the edit, drop, & detach options are on the "second page." Someone said that this was a pain for builders, but it does *not* occur with prims laid out in-world, only those attached. I do not think this is a bad feature at all. Yes, I am one of those people a lot of you cannot stand because I have a medium to high rendering cost because I LOVE ATTACHMENTS!

A lot of people were also upset about not being able to filter or find adult content. This is because you need to check a box in your general preferences that allows your viewer to access adult content. Another person did not like that this setting reset itself, but I understand why it does so. Most of us do not really have to share our computers with others and if we do, they either do not enter the world or do so with the same...um...approach that we do. But, I do see the possibility of an adult content seeker having to share with a much more conservative person who would not want that box check. Therefore, the viewer resets this option. Again, not a bad thing...just a different one.

The technical problems everyone is experiencing should be the main concern here. Some of you are having more or different issues than I am, but here's my laundry list:
*The problem with the "clown" skins, which seems to be universal.
*The problem with eyelashes being opaque and...well...ugly. This also seems to be universal.
*Every time someone changes or removes an article of clothing, they turn into the ruth ghost on my screen - a real problem at strip clubs.
*The overall stability of the viewer seems compromised. It was perhaps the normal Sunday sadness, but yesterday I lagged, crashed, and had to relog more than I have in quite some time - cumulatively.

So basically, you are telling people how their should the difference and adjust their preference and appreciation for the changes.

Well that is really a subjective issue. You cannot tell people it is not a bad thing when that is how they view it.

I respect what you are saying, Briana, I do. But, on that specific issue, we all should be thinking about everyone on the grid not just ourselves.

There is no way the client can be geared to each one of us personally and it is selfish for us to expect it. I am not thrilled with it either and I do not share my computer, but I understand its purpose and I think it is more important to cater to that concept. Once we get used to checking the box, I don't think any of us will view it as a big deal. It's just something we have to get used to.

I know that I would love certain things, personally, from the viewer, but that it would not benefit users as a while. That is the stance the development team have to and *should* take and we should all be welcoming to that.

We are not the only people here on the grid.

Perhaps there is an easier way to deal with this specific area and I am sure if it is possible, it will happen.

Actually, the client CAN be made more customizable. When implementing a new feature, the best course of action would be to make that new feature optional. It's one of the many reasons people resort to alternative clients. If you look at the roster of alternative SL clients, the features they include and add are usually in place with a new preferences tab that lists out what you can turn on or off. (^_^)

My client should be geared to my personal usage. It's on my computer, used by me, so that I can have my presence in the big picture of things. Let the server be the big global one-for-all. I may not be the only person on the grid, but, I'm the only person on my computer and the only person logging in with my client. (^_^)y

Perhaps the "easier" way would be to not call "All" Forum Posters Pretentious....perhaps not call anyone pretentious. That in itself....is a wee bit pretentious.



I have no idea what clown skins are....couldn't care less about eyelashes in the whole scheme of things...never noticed that ruth effect while people change clothes.....was on most of the day yesterday....not one problem.....I've rarely had a technical problem in over 2 years.....

Would that make you pretentious?

What makes *you* pretentious is assuming that the title of my thread was not a joke. And, of course, in using the word "all" and posting in a forum, I would be referring to myself.

I would like to think that most people who post in a vast number of forums got the joke.

If not, my bad, and I apologize.

In either case, you sort of made yourself a case-in-point example and therefore one of what could be a series of "butts" of the joke.

Duly noted.

I will not pretend that I could program a client, even unsuccessfully...lol. I know that programming is complicated and difficult work and that credit is never given where it is due, not just here, but with all sorts of MMOs.

Perhaps a separate client for "age verified" members who choose to consistently access adult information is not outside of the question. I can imagine, however, that there is a lot on the line as I am fully aware of how complicated regulations are on adult internet content. This really may be more of a question of legal protection. I do not know what the stipulations are for virtual worlds or really how the California laws would effect it, but I do know from experience that you have to be very careful with adult-oriented web content. I developed adult web sites for a number of years for my father's company and we had to be very careful then. I am assuming there may be similar possible problems in store here.

But, I'd have to agree with you overall, Imnotgoing. I just wonder how that could be implemented without making it overly complicated for users & developers alike and still keep possible legal and/or civil issues in check.

I am sure we all know plenty about over-zealous parents and the internet. LOL!!!

I took your headline.....then read first paragraph.....



Then you proceeded to tell everyone what their issues "should be." Another confirmation.



I'm pretty careful (not perfect).....about not using the word "all" in that context, or to address a forum.....joke or not.



I've posted in other forums for years....often use sarcasm....humor.....did not get the joke.



If making me the butt of your joke....helps you get your own issues solved....over those you have deemed as "nit picky"....feel free.

The change to the menu has been in the queue for a while, it was done for full-prim avatars (like tinies) who can't click on their body at all because there's always an attached prim in the way. Being able to right-click touch attachments is a bonus as well.

I'm not saying this is done well... I haven't seen the new client at all and will probably give it a miss because it seems to be getting rushed out... but SOME kind of change in the attachment menu is desirable. Probably doing it the other way, so the avatar menu gets moved into "More..." on attachments, would be better.

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Well. We could go back and forth all day. You can make your assumptions and I can laugh at them. Bottom line...I don't care what you think about me or what you think about how I word things. I am not here to impress people and I'm not interested in forum drama. If you don't like the way I joke around - your problem, not mine.

If you don't like it, put on your big girl pants, suck it up and find something else to do.

But, you know, if you want to keep flaming. Have fun, just be careful that you don't accidentally set yourself on fire one day with someone else.

I didn't post to deal with this petty crap and I certainly don't have to justify my actions to you. Considering I didn't actually say anything offensive, except in your mind, I really don't care that I offended you. If you keep looking for excuses to have problems, you'll find them everywhere.

So, if you are not interested in troubleshooting tech issues, then just go away because you are wasting both my time and your own.

Have a Nice Day.

It takes some getting used to, but it is definitely helpful as it is so hard to find a part of my body that is not an attachment most of the time. LOL! I do sometimes rock a tiny or a furry avi and then I often just have *a lot* of hair. If the avatar menu were on the next "page", that probably would be fine as well. It's just a matter of getting used to either, I suppose.

If it is feasible for the client to be more customizable, as Imnotgoing mentioned a bit above, then I think that choosing the way things appear on your menu would be a nice feature. That seems complicated to me, though. LOL! I cannot say I have ever made an attempt to program a client before, so I assume a lot is difficult when it may not be.

I'm such a snob, quoting myself like this! ;-p

I know that no one responded directly to these issues in this thread, but a few I have seen elsewhere in the forum & heard about in-world. It is probably also safe to assume that if I experienced these issues, especially with a computer that is rather new and a bit of a powerhouse, that at least other person has as well. So, here's what I have been able to do:

*Skin & eyelash issues:

So, if the skins are mod the "clown" and "eyelash" problems are really easy to fix it seems. It just appears that the skin sliders are more sensitive than before and are overriding the "tattoos". Obviously it is not happening with all skins, but I think that the creators of the ones that do have this problem should be made aware. I am not sure if anything can be done retroactively, really.

*Ruth ghost upon clothing removal or change:

I have yet to see this today. It could have just been due to weekend overload. I am not sure if I can describe how complicated this particular problem made photo shoots yesterday. LOL!

*Viewer stability:

No problems *yet* today. Again, could have been the crazy Sunday syndrome. Time will tell. Since I got this computer in August, I have crashed a handful of times and I can usually stay logged in all day without relogging and clearing cache unless I am doing a lot of photos and/or uploading a lot of textures. Yesterday, I crashed about six times and had to relog about ten. That was a record for me. A lot of people have been having connection problems with internet providers as well in a lot of areas, that would seem to be a weird connection, but you really can never know. Perhaps we were overloading our bandwidth yesterday - not really my area of expertise, obviously.

So...that's that.

Any remarks on the tech end of this stuff? Similar problems? Ideas on causes? And so on?

You may be seeing this, fix pending: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-12962

There have been a few threads about it. 1.23 RC only.
I'm impressed. This DOES make you well-qualified to call everyone pretentious, being such an adept practitioner yourself

Thanks, Nika! 239487230948230948230948230 page threads drive me a little insane which is why I started this one. It's easier to track the posts one at a time and I am just lazy enough to not want to read all of those pages.
in the other threads, though I did browse.



Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeell....

In regard to your statement, I try to think about the bigger picture and other people. Not just myself. So, I hope you are kidding and I think you are...lol. If you are trying to be insulting, well...I don't think I have to restate that I don't care about things like that.

No pretenses here. I might not be the most PC individual in the universe and peeps may take me as a bit uncouth or w/e, but it's called integrity. No assuming I am better than anyone else or that my problems or wants are more important than anyone else's, just pure being fine with who I am and really not giving a flying something or other about petty schtuffs.

It's just the way _ALL_ forum posters are apparently, including yourself.
The only way to not be Pretentious is never post to any forums

Didn't Kurt Cobain kill himself during a drug binge? I'm not so sure I'd want to take life philosophy lessons from the man. Anyways...The viewer saves two types of local preferences: client-level and user-level. Once a user changes his or her default level (eg. from PG to Adult), the viewer should save that setting in the user-level preferences. This is actually a trivial bit of coding.

I agree with Morae, all you people suck with your stupid nitpicking feature suggestions. Linden Lab programmers are wonderful sexy people that work really hard. You all don't deserve them!.

on that note - I would like these features:

I want to be able to increase my avie's boob size to 150.

I want my profile to have a gold border with rose petals along the bottom. (Just mine, nobody elses)

I would like everybody to bow and gasp when I enter a club.

and I want a pink poodle called Mr Snookums. AND I WANT HIM NOW!!

Amusingly enough .... the 1.23 RC .... has been pulled for now.

I still have the 1.23 RC and I have become accustomed to (and actually prefer) the new pie menu, etc., and aside from the MAJOR glitches in PG/Mature/Adult search (which are outlined in a recent blog post by Tatero Nuno) and the skin issues (you know, most of us wear no-mod skins so it doesn't matter about sliders...), I'm ok with it.

I always wonder why readers of a forum bitch about people bitching; that's what happens. Some people need to vent in order to inspire someone else to post something more rational that then helps us to get past our frustration, and moves most of us into a positive direction.

So why get all 'meta' about how people bitch about stuff, that's what fills about 75% of the posts in this forum. I mean... it's a FORUM. what do you expect...? Apparently you feel important enough to make a whole thread for yourself in which the main meat of it is your flippant, sarcastic, subjective judgments about a large group of people, not talking about the actual RC, so... LOL. I don't have any personal feelings either way, I just think forums are amusing.

P.S. your comment about people not wanting to accept change is very accurate. it's human nature, we resist change. to me that's just evidence that we're alive. i agree some complain way harsher than i feel is necessary. but hey, what do I know? I'm not a forum backseat driver so i don't need to worry about it. PLUS, would you rather everyone just swallow everything with a smile and ask for more? I wouldn't....

Imagine working on attachments; this convenience turns into a major trip hazard! Oh, and until LL messed with it, it had been possible to click on your name to edit your appearance, look at profile, groups, etc.

What, they BROKE THAT?

That change I have found particularly painful, as most of the work I do in SL is related to attachments. I find myself constantly going into appearance mode, because after *years* of using SL, i'm that used to edit being precisely where it should be.

However, given the wonderful XML qualities of the interface, it's not that hard to change it back, and I'll be doing so from now until eternity. An inconvenience, but one I can live with.

I usually click my name tag because my dance chim is huge so folks can find it so I have no dog in this particular race.