Solution to LL Gambling Ban

Whereas, Linden Labs claims that the Linden Dollar (L$) has no value.
Whereas, one can can sell L$ for cash on the Lindex, giving it real value.
Whereas, the justification LL uses for banning gambling in SL is the prohibition on wagering (in RL or cyberspace) with anything of real value.

Therefore, to effectively give the L$ no value and be able to re-instate gambling, LL needs to prohibit the sale of L$ to cash on the Lindex.

Oh sure, that may hurt those who are making L$ hand over fist in non-casino-related pursuits, e.g., land barons, land bots, clothing/hair/furniture designers, etc., but the casinos will be in the clear.

or you can not gamble in SL. The internet have plenty of gambling sites that pay better and don't have rigged games.

LL makes 30% of each Lindex transaction. Do you really think they are going to give away their revenue? Casinos are (sadly) gone. They are not coming back.

With that kind of statement I think all designers and shopowners should ban you from their premises and leave you homeless and naked in the street..........

Also, a lesson in economics might also help as to what the real back bone in terms of revenue actually keeps SL as it is........... and Casinos would not account for that much as in most cases the money earned is taken out...

3.5% when you are selling.

And 30 cents if you are buying.

Plus the money they get from selling from supply linden directly.

So its a lot . LOT less than 30% - but its still money.

I agree Casinos are not coming back.

Even if LL closed the Linden X - 3rd parties would still buy and sell Lindens.

Mmmmm, on one hand have the ability convert my lindens to US$, while on the other hand bring back the casinos. Given the choice I would prefer the conversion option.

considering if there was no way to buy Lindens at all with USD

You couldnt gamble with them.

I dont see how the idea would even work.

To me it doesn't matter what The Law of Second Life is now, what I'm seeing is a company that has little or no integrity.

They dump this ban on us 'IMMEDIATELY' no phase out period, leaving all these people that have had a major part in building Second Life up with Islands and land parcels they cannot sell. Tier still has to be 'PAID'. How can these people be expected to 'PAY THEIR TIERS' their Income's have been taken from them.
Now to top it all off, LL has offered mainland sims again for auction, making it more difficult for these people to try and recapture some of their investment.

Kick them while they are down, Linden Labs

I'm not going to say all but 'MOST' of these people have given their heart and soul and took pride in what they had given us to enrich our lives in Second Life, and still these people have not been offered anything.

You can't hide forever Linden Labs, these people 'DESERVE' some word from you.

Silence is NOT Always Golden!

No offense but this is at best a stretch. At one time I owned four casinos and when I saw the writing on the wall some six months ago I sold them. One does not seek legal opinion from their own lawyers and government agencies and then come to a decision that something is illegal and should be phased out. If you discover that an aspect of your business operations is illegal (or questionable to the point that it may harm your business (read: litigation)) then you have to cease immediately.

I have no problem with the ban. My problem is with all games of chance not being regulated in the same manner. There is no difference between poker and Tringo/Slingo/etc... yet those games continue to operate while some poker room owners were threatened with property and asset seizure if they did not cease operations immediately. If they want to be heavy-handed, fine, it is their playground. But do the same to all people who run lottery type games.

Actually even though they announced that clarification that they will be following the law (even though no announcement is necessary) there is a phase in period. 4/5/07 is when the Linden stop accepting ads related to gambling.
And also LL will review each and every report of gambling individually (can you imagine how long that will take if every slot machine is reported) and then the owner will be told to remove any offending items. Until you receive a request to remove the item(s) by Linden Lab you are not in violation.
When underage AV's were banned the notice were going around for almost a month before a big deal was made of it and only two people that I know of where banned for violating the policy (and even then it was because of some RL related activities)

Yeah, and who exactly is gonna bother running a casino if they cannot convert L's to USD?

The casinos will be in the clear and absolutely none in existence. Seriously? Do away with all linden to dollar conversion just for the sake of bringing casinos back? That would be one quick way to make SL a ghost town.

3.5%

Hehe, pardon me for asking but...
Why would Linden Labs forefit 30% of their revenue for casinos?
They would also risk a mass drop in the SL concurrency of PAYING MEMBERS for a gambling location?

Because they don't want to lose everything and go to jail.

Are you saying that SL "casino's" had bad payouts and rigged games? Please explain, I would like to hear it.

Because there was no regulatory system on SL casinos, as there are in RL, it would be absolutely impossible to say.

LLabs should just set up shop in a country that doesnt dictate to them on what they can have in a user created world.... except im sure they are to whipped by american society to do that.

Cool

Get all the American Credit Card companies to follow suit.


Becuase thats the additional glitch people miss.

The law forbids American Credit Cards from making payments to Sites involved in Online Gambling.

Maybe they like living in the USA. I know I do.

Just join the Virtual World that has been set up by a company in your country then........ You don't have to stay, you are free to go elsewhere.

*And IF there were a Second Life in say...Luxembourg. And the users created something that violated Luxembourgian Law. And The Luxembourg Lindens banned it. Who would you direct your juvenile tantrums at then? Probably Americans. We sure like to fuck things up, don't we?*

well you cant gripe about Luxembourg it takes to long to say.

It takes longer to say than it does to drive through it. Just Like Delaware.

it does not matter where LL moves it's corporation or servers.

American banks and credit card companies are not allowed to work with gambling sites.

Come on you got to come up with a better reason than this to what was said, that the games were rigged. Let Destiny Niles answer please.